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	<title>Comments on: Some Humor After the 4th of July</title>
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		<title>By: Jan Carver</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UNTIL PEOPLE COME TO &quot;KNOW&quot; &amp; UNDERSTAND THEIR DAILY BREAD PERSONALLY - THEN WHAT IS BUILT IN TO ALL OF US BY GOD BEFORE WE WERE BORN [TO EAT THE SCROLL - THE DAILY BREAD, THE WORD MADE FLESH] OF COURSE IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT EATING &amp; THE FREEDOM TO DO SO AT THE HUMAN NATURE&#039;S CHOICE.

AGAIN, THE COUNTERFEIT WILL ALWAYS TAKE OVER WHEN THE HOLE IS NOT FILLED WITH FATHER GOD/JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT...

UNLESS ONE IS BORN AGAIN - THEIR EATING IS THEIR PLEASURE &amp; THEIR FREEDOM - IT IS A PARADOX FOR SURE...

DO WE HATE THE PIG BECAUSE HE CLEANS FOR US &amp; IS FILTHY IN SIDE OR DO WE HATE THE PIG BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS SOMETHING WE CAN&#039;T HAVE THAT WE LIKE OR DO WE HATE THE PIG BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS OUR DISOBEDIENCE...

THIS WAS FOUND ON MY FACEBOOK WALL THIS MORNING &amp; I JUST HAD TO SHARE IT HERE ON THIS WORD ABOUT THE PIG [IT SEEMS]...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=264647060306737&amp;set=a.175741369197307.31096.175564625881648&amp;type=1&amp;theater]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNTIL PEOPLE COME TO &#8220;KNOW&#8221; &amp; UNDERSTAND THEIR DAILY BREAD PERSONALLY &#8211; THEN WHAT IS BUILT IN TO ALL OF US BY GOD BEFORE WE WERE BORN [TO EAT THE SCROLL - THE DAILY BREAD, THE WORD MADE FLESH] OF COURSE IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT EATING &amp; THE FREEDOM TO DO SO AT THE HUMAN NATURE&#8217;S CHOICE.</p>
<p>AGAIN, THE COUNTERFEIT WILL ALWAYS TAKE OVER WHEN THE HOLE IS NOT FILLED WITH FATHER GOD/JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT&#8230;</p>
<p>UNLESS ONE IS BORN AGAIN &#8211; THEIR EATING IS THEIR PLEASURE &amp; THEIR FREEDOM &#8211; IT IS A PARADOX FOR SURE&#8230;</p>
<p>DO WE HATE THE PIG BECAUSE HE CLEANS FOR US &amp; IS FILTHY IN SIDE OR DO WE HATE THE PIG BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS SOMETHING WE CAN&#8217;T HAVE THAT WE LIKE OR DO WE HATE THE PIG BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS OUR DISOBEDIENCE&#8230;</p>
<p>THIS WAS FOUND ON MY FACEBOOK WALL THIS MORNING &amp; I JUST HAD TO SHARE IT HERE ON THIS WORD ABOUT THE PIG [IT SEEMS]&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=264647060306737&#038;set=a.175741369197307.31096.175564625881648&#038;type=1&#038;theater" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=264647060306737&#038;set=a.175741369197307.31096.175564625881648&#038;type=1&#038;theater</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44895</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: Skip Moen</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44893</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip Moen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, amazing.  But when I consider the Western commitment to personal &quot;freedom,&quot; perhaps it is most evident in our belief that we can eat whatever we want to.  It is interesting that the very first commandment is also a dietary one.  We haven&#039;t come very far, have we?  In our culture, no one likes to be told what they CANNOT eat (consider the recent uprising over Bloomberg&#039;s restriction on sodas in New York).  Our idea of freedom really amounts to such ridiculous resistance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, amazing.  But when I consider the Western commitment to personal &#8220;freedom,&#8221; perhaps it is most evident in our belief that we can eat whatever we want to.  It is interesting that the very first commandment is also a dietary one.  We haven&#8217;t come very far, have we?  In our culture, no one likes to be told what they CANNOT eat (consider the recent uprising over Bloomberg&#8217;s restriction on sodas in New York).  Our idea of freedom really amounts to such ridiculous resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44888</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jan

&quot;JUST SAYING DON’T BLAME THE PIG FOR THEIR JOB GIVEN THEM…&quot;


I&#039;m trying Jan, I&#039;m really trying.....It is amazing to me that there has been more replies to this particular TW about FOOD..than any other.....simply amazing...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jan</p>
<p>&#8220;JUST SAYING DON’T BLAME THE PIG FOR THEIR JOB GIVEN THEM…&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying Jan, I&#8217;m really trying&#8230;..It is amazing to me that there has been more replies to this particular TW about FOOD..than any other&#8230;..simply amazing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Carver</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44883</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WELL I DON&#039;T KNOW - ISN&#039;T THAT WHAT DUAL CITIZENSHIP GIVES YOU/US...

&quot;Imagine you wanted to be an Italian citizen. You submitted your request and it was honored. Then you say to the Italian authorities, “By the way, I will continue to vote in American, pay by taxes according to the American requirements and use my American passport when I travel. But I’m still Italian.” I don’t think so.&quot;

SOMETIMES I WONDER JUST LIKE YOU DO... ♥]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WELL I DON&#8217;T KNOW &#8211; ISN&#8217;T THAT WHAT DUAL CITIZENSHIP GIVES YOU/US&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Imagine you wanted to be an Italian citizen. You submitted your request and it was honored. Then you say to the Italian authorities, “By the way, I will continue to vote in American, pay by taxes according to the American requirements and use my American passport when I travel. But I’m still Italian.” I don’t think so.&#8221;</p>
<p>SOMETIMES I WONDER JUST LIKE YOU DO&#8230; ♥</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Carver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HEY, SAME GOES FOR SHRIMP, LOBSTER, COCKROACHES...

OKAY – DID GOD NOT MAKE CERTAIN ANIMALS TO BE SCAVENGERS – TO BE CLEANERS OF SORT. THE MEDICAL FIELD USES MAGGOTS TO CLEAN ROTTING FLESH OFF OF PATIENTS [WE DON&#039;T EAT THEM/MAGGOTS] BUT THEY ARE MADE FOR A PURPOSE. SOMETIMES LIKE ABOVE YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PIGS IN THEMSELVES ARE NASTY DIRTY CREATURES WHEN IN ALL ACTUALITY GOD MADE THEM FOR A PURPOSE – IT IS NOT THE PIGS FAULT HE WAS MADE TO CLEAN &amp; INGEST WHAT HE IS CLEANING – IT’S NOT ABOUT HIM BEING A NASTY DIRTY ANIMAL AS PORTRAYED BUT ABOUT US NOT EATING WHAT HE HAS CLEANED – GOD/JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT SEEM TO BE GOOD CLEANERS TOO BUT WE GET TO PARTAKE OF THEIR BLOOD &amp; THEIR BREAD – JUST SAYING DON’T BLAME THE PIG FOR THEIR JOB GIVEN THEM…  OR THE SHRIMP, LOBSTER, COCKROACH...  IT IS ABOUT OUR OBEDIENCE NOT THE ANIMALS CLEANNESS - THE UNCLEAN ANIMALS WERE MADE FOR A PURPOSE &amp; THE HUMAN BEING WAS MADE FOR A PURPOSE TO LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART &amp; WITH ALL THY SOUL &amp; WITH ALL OUR STRENGTH &amp; WITH ALL OUR MIND - AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF...

He answered: &quot;&#039;Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind&#039;; and, &#039;Love your neighbor as yourself.&#039;&quot;

http://bible.cc/luke/10-27.htm

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”

27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’[h] and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”[i]

28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 On the next day, when he departed,[j] he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ 36 So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”

37 And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.”

Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

Mary and Martha Worship and Serve

38 Now it happened as they went that He entered a certain village; and a certain woman named Martha welcomed Him into her house. 39 And she had a sister called Mary, who also sat at Jesus’[k] feet and heard His word. 40 But Martha was distracted with much serving, and she approached Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Therefore tell her to help me.”

41 And Jesus[l] answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things. 42 But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY, SAME GOES FOR SHRIMP, LOBSTER, COCKROACHES&#8230;</p>
<p>OKAY – DID GOD NOT MAKE CERTAIN ANIMALS TO BE SCAVENGERS – TO BE CLEANERS OF SORT. THE MEDICAL FIELD USES MAGGOTS TO CLEAN ROTTING FLESH OFF OF PATIENTS [WE DON'T EAT THEM/MAGGOTS] BUT THEY ARE MADE FOR A PURPOSE. SOMETIMES LIKE ABOVE YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PIGS IN THEMSELVES ARE NASTY DIRTY CREATURES WHEN IN ALL ACTUALITY GOD MADE THEM FOR A PURPOSE – IT IS NOT THE PIGS FAULT HE WAS MADE TO CLEAN &amp; INGEST WHAT HE IS CLEANING – IT’S NOT ABOUT HIM BEING A NASTY DIRTY ANIMAL AS PORTRAYED BUT ABOUT US NOT EATING WHAT HE HAS CLEANED – GOD/JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT SEEM TO BE GOOD CLEANERS TOO BUT WE GET TO PARTAKE OF THEIR BLOOD &amp; THEIR BREAD – JUST SAYING DON’T BLAME THE PIG FOR THEIR JOB GIVEN THEM…  OR THE SHRIMP, LOBSTER, COCKROACH&#8230;  IT IS ABOUT OUR OBEDIENCE NOT THE ANIMALS CLEANNESS &#8211; THE UNCLEAN ANIMALS WERE MADE FOR A PURPOSE &amp; THE HUMAN BEING WAS MADE FOR A PURPOSE TO LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART &amp; WITH ALL THY SOUL &amp; WITH ALL OUR STRENGTH &amp; WITH ALL OUR MIND &#8211; AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF&#8230;</p>
<p>He answered: &#8220;&#8216;Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind&#8217;; and, &#8216;Love your neighbor as yourself.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://bible.cc/luke/10-27.htm" rel="nofollow">http://bible.cc/luke/10-27.htm</a></p>
<p>The Parable of the Good Samaritan</p>
<p>25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”</p>
<p>26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”</p>
<p>27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’[h] and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”[i]</p>
<p>28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”</p>
<p>29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”</p>
<p>30 Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 On the next day, when he departed,[j] he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ 36 So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”</p>
<p>37 And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.”</p>
<p>Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”</p>
<p>Mary and Martha Worship and Serve</p>
<p>38 Now it happened as they went that He entered a certain village; and a certain woman named Martha welcomed Him into her house. 39 And she had a sister called Mary, who also sat at Jesus’[k] feet and heard His word. 40 But Martha was distracted with much serving, and she approached Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Therefore tell her to help me.”</p>
<p>41 And Jesus[l] answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things. 42 But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her.”</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Carver</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44880</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OKAY - DID GOD NOT MAKE CERTAIN ANIMALS TO BE SCAVENGERS - TO BE CLEANERS OF SORT.  THE MEDICAL FIELD USES MAGGOTS TO CLEAN ROTTING FLESH OFF OF PATIENTS [WE DON&#039;T EAT THEM/MAGGOTS] BUT THEY ARE MADE FOR A PURPOSE.  SOMETIMES LIKE ABOVE YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PIGS IN THEMSELVES ARE NASTY DIRTY CREATURES WHEN IN ALL ACTUALITY GOD MADE THEM FOR A PURPOSE - IT IS NOT THE PIGS FAULT HE WAS MADE TO CLEAN &amp; INGEST WHAT HE IS CLEANING - IT&#039;S NOT ABOUT HIM BEING A NASTY DIRTY ANIMAL AS PORTRAYED BUT ABOUT US NOT EATING WHAT HE HAS CLEANED - GOD/JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT SEEM TO BE GOOD CLEANERS TOO BUT WE GET TO PARTAKE OF THEIR BLOOD &amp; THEIR BREAD - JUST SAYING DON&#039;T BLAME THE PIG FOR THEIR JOB GIVEN THEM...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OKAY &#8211; DID GOD NOT MAKE CERTAIN ANIMALS TO BE SCAVENGERS &#8211; TO BE CLEANERS OF SORT.  THE MEDICAL FIELD USES MAGGOTS TO CLEAN ROTTING FLESH OFF OF PATIENTS [WE DON'T EAT THEM/MAGGOTS] BUT THEY ARE MADE FOR A PURPOSE.  SOMETIMES LIKE ABOVE YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PIGS IN THEMSELVES ARE NASTY DIRTY CREATURES WHEN IN ALL ACTUALITY GOD MADE THEM FOR A PURPOSE &#8211; IT IS NOT THE PIGS FAULT HE WAS MADE TO CLEAN &amp; INGEST WHAT HE IS CLEANING &#8211; IT&#8217;S NOT ABOUT HIM BEING A NASTY DIRTY ANIMAL AS PORTRAYED BUT ABOUT US NOT EATING WHAT HE HAS CLEANED &#8211; GOD/JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT SEEM TO BE GOOD CLEANERS TOO BUT WE GET TO PARTAKE OF THEIR BLOOD &amp; THEIR BREAD &#8211; JUST SAYING DON&#8217;T BLAME THE PIG FOR THEIR JOB GIVEN THEM&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Carver</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44879</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DOROTHY DEAR - YOU MUST BE A TRUE DISCIPLE THEN - IF YOU ARE AS DULL AS YOU THINK YOU ARE - SINCE JESUS CALLED HIS OWN DISCIPLES DULL... ♥  YEAH, I&#039;M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU...

&quot; I am considered one of the most ignorant-out of touch people in this community. lol. So be prepared, and while we can certainly learn from others, bottom line is keep referring back to the Holy Spirit who is your real teacher.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOROTHY DEAR &#8211; YOU MUST BE A TRUE DISCIPLE THEN &#8211; IF YOU ARE AS DULL AS YOU THINK YOU ARE &#8211; SINCE JESUS CALLED HIS OWN DISCIPLES DULL&#8230; ♥  YEAH, I&#8217;M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8221; I am considered one of the most ignorant-out of touch people in this community. lol. So be prepared, and while we can certainly learn from others, bottom line is keep referring back to the Holy Spirit who is your real teacher.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Carver</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44877</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DOROTHY DEAR, I STILL USE JESUS TOO - NOT AFRAID OR SCARED CAUSE I LOVE THAT NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES &amp; HE/JESUS KNOWS THAT ABOUT ME &amp; YOU... ♥]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOROTHY DEAR, I STILL USE JESUS TOO &#8211; NOT AFRAID OR SCARED CAUSE I LOVE THAT NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES &amp; HE/JESUS KNOWS THAT ABOUT ME &amp; YOU&#8230; ♥</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Slabchuck</title>
		<link>http://skipmoen.com/2012/07/04/some-humor-after-the-4th-of-july/comment-page-1/#comment-44859</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Slabchuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Christopher: you make this statement: 

In general: obeying the law of Moses from a legalistic approach of balancing mitzvah against sin is embracing the wickedness of the Pharisees Jesus condemns.

This statement belies a a basic misunderstanding of the Hebraic world view of Yeshua and Sha’ul.&quot; 

Torah has several meanings in Judaism. It can be understood, for example, as the Chumash - a scroll made from kosher animal parchment with the text of the five books written on it. It can mean any writing that contains the entire 5 books written on it. It can also mean the entire corpus of Jewish observance. According to Eliezer ben Yose the Galilean, for 974 generations before the creation of the world the Torah lay in God&#039;s bosom and joined the ministering angels in song. Simeon ben Lakish taught that the Torah preceded the world by 2,000 years and was written in black fire upon white fire. Akiva called the Torah &quot;the precious instrument by which the world was created&quot;. Rav said that God created the world by looking into the Torah as an architect builds a palace by looking into blueprints. Other Jewish sages, however, disregard the literal belief that the Torah existed before all else. Saadiah Gaon rejected this belief on the grounds that it contradicts the principle of creation ex nihilo. Judah Barzillai of Barcelona raised the problem of place. Where could God have kept a preexistent Torah? While allowing that God could conceivably have provided an ante-mundane place for a corporeal Torah, he preferred the interpretation that the Torah preexisted only as a thought in the divine mind. Similarly, the Ibn Ezra raised the problem of time. He wrote that it is impossible for the Torah to have preceded the world by 2,000 years or even by one moment, since time is an accident of motion, and there was no motion before God created the celestial spheres; rather, he concluded, the teaching about the Torah&#039;s preexistence must be a metaphoric riddle.

Judah Halevi attempts to alleviate the argument by explaining that the Torah precedes the world in terms of teleology; God created the world for the purpose of revealing the Torah; therefore, since, as the philosophers say, &quot;the first of thought is the end of the work,&quot; the Torah is said to have existed before the world.

The Jewish Virtual library goes on to say:

&quot;The Septuagint rendered the Hebrew torah by the Greek nomos (&quot;law&quot;), probably in the sense of a living network of traditions and customs of a people. The designation of the Torah by nomos, and by its Latin successor lex (whence, &quot;the Law&quot;), has historically given rise to the misunderstanding that Torah means legalism.

It was one of the very few real dogmas of rabbinic theology that the Torah is from heaven; i.e., the Torah in its entirety was revealed by God. According to biblical stories, Moses ascended into heaven to capture the Torah from the angels. In one of the oldest mishnaic statements it is taught that Torah is one of the three things by which the world is sustained. Eleazar ben Shammua said: &quot;Were it not for the Torah, heaven and earth would not continue to exist&quot;. 

The Torah was often compared to fire, water, wine, oil, milk, honey, drugs, manna, the tree of life, and many other things; it was considered the source of freedom, goodness, and life; it was identified both with wisdom and with love. Hillel summarized the entire Torah in one sentence: &quot;What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow&quot;. Akiva said: &quot;The fundamental principle of the Torah is the commandment, &#039;Love thy neighbor as thyself &#039;&quot;. 

The message of the Torah is for all mankind. Before giving the Torah to Israel, God offered it to the other nations, but they refused it; and when He did give the Torah to Israel, He revealed it in the extraterritorial desert and simultaneously in all the 70 languages, so that men of all nations would have a right to it. Alongside this universalism, the rabbis taught the inseparability of Israel and the Torah. One rabbi held that the concept of Israel existed in God&#039;s mind even before He created the Torah. Yet, were it not for its accepting the Torah, Israel would not be &quot;chosen,&quot; nor would it be different from all the idolatrous nations.

Saadiah Gaon expounded a rationalist theory according to which the ethical and religious-intellectual beliefs imparted by the Torah are all attainable by human reason. He held that the Torah is divisible into two parts:

(1) commandments which, in addition to being revealed, are demanded by reason (e.g., prohibitions of murder, fornication, theft, lying); and

(2) commandments whose authority is revelation alone (e.g., Sabbath and dietary laws), but which generally are understandable in terms of some personal or social benefit attained by their performance. 

In the period between Saadiah and Maimonides, most Jewish writers who speculated on the nature of the Torah continued in this rationalist tradition. 

Judah Halevi, however, opposed the rationalist interpretation. He allowed that the Torah contains rational and political laws, but considered them preliminary to the specifically divine laws and teachings which cannot be comprehended by reason, e.g., the laws of the Sabbath which teach the omnipotence of God and the creation of the world. The Torah makes it possible to approach God by awe, love, and joy. It is the essence of wisdom, and the outcome of the will of God to reveal His kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. 

While Judah Halevi held that Israel was created to fulfill the Torah, he wrote that there would be no Torah were there no Israel.

Maimonides emphasized that the Torah is the product of the unique prophecy of Moses. He maintained that the Torah has two purposes:

(1) The welfare of the body, which is a prerequisite of the ultimate purpose, is political, and &quot;consists in the governance of the city and the well-being of the state of all its people according to their capacity.

(2) The welfare of the soul (intellect), which consists in the true perfection of man, his acquisition of immortality through intellection of the highest things.

Maimonides held that the Torah is similar to other laws in its concern with the welfare of the body; but its divine nature is reflected in its concern for the welfare of the soul. Maimonides saw the Torah as a rationalizing force, warring against superstition, imagination, appetite, and idolatry. He cited the rabbinic dictum, &quot;Everyone who disbelieves in idolatry professes the Torah in its entirety&quot;, and taught that the foundation of the Torah and the pivot around which it turns consists in the effacement of idolatry. He held that the Torah must be interpreted in the light of reason.

While Maimonides generally restricted analysis of the nature of the Torah to questions of its educational, moral, or political value, the Spanish kabbalists engaged in bold metaphysical speculation concerning its essence. The kabbalists taught that the Torah is a living organism. Some said the entire Torah consists of the names of God set in succession or interwoven into a fabric. Ultimately, it was said that the Torah is God. This identification of the Torah and God was understood to refer to the Torah in its true primordial essence, and not to its manifestation in the world of creation.

Influenced by Maimonides, Baruch Spinoza took the position that the Torah is an exclusively political law, however he broke radically with all rabbinic tradition by denying its divine nature, by making it an object of historical-critical investigation, and by maintaining that it was not written by Moses alone but by various authors living at different times. Moreover, he considered the Torah primitive, unscientific, and particularistic, and thus subversive to progress, reason, and universal morality. By portraying the Torah as a product of the Jewish people, he reversed the traditional opinion according to which the Jewish people are a product of the Torah.

Moses Mendelssohn considered the Torah a political law, but he affirmed its divine nature. He explained that the Torah does not intend to reveal new ideas about deism and morality, but rather, through its laws and institutions, to arouse men to be mindful of the true ideas attainable by all men through reason. By identifying the beliefs of the Torah with the truths of reason, Mendelssohn affirmed both its scientific respectability and its universalistic nature. By defining the Torah as a political law given to Israel by God, he preserved the traditional view that Israel is a product of the Torah, and not, as Spinoza claimed, vice versa.

With the rise of the science of Judaism (Wissenschaft des Judentums) in the 19th century, and the advance of the historical-critical approach to the Torah, many Jewish intellectuals, including ideologists of Reform like Abraham Geiger, followed Spinoza in seeing the Torah, at least in part, as a product of the primitive history of the Jewish nation. 

The increasing intellectualization of the Torah was opposed by Samuel David Luzzatto. He contended that the belief that God revealed the Torah is the starting point of Judaism, and that this belief, with its momentous implications concerning the nature of God and His relation to man, cannot be attained by philosophy. Luzzatto held that the foundation of the whole Torah is compassion. 

In their German translation of the Bible, Martin Buber translated torah as Weisung or Unterweisung (&quot;Instruction&quot;) and not as Gesetz (&quot;Law&quot;). In general, he agreed on the purpose of the Torah - to convert the universe and God from It to Thou - yet differed on several points concerning its nature. Buber saw the Torah as the past dialogue between Israel and God, and the present dialogue between the individual reader, the I, and God, the Thou. He concluded that while one must open himself to the entire teaching of the Torah, he need only accept a particular law of the Torah if he feels that it is being spoken now to him. 

The secular Zionism of the late 19th and early 20th centuries gave religious thinkers new cause to define the relationship between the Torah and the Jewish nation. Some defined the Torah in terms of the nation. Thus, Mordecai Kaplan translated Ahad Ha-Am&#039;s sociological theory of the evolution of Jewish civilization into a religious, though naturalistic, theory of the Torah as the &quot;religious civilization of the Jews.&quot;

Other thinkers defined the nation in terms of the Torah. Thus, Abraham Isaac Kook taught that the purpose of the Torah is to reveal the living light of the universe, the suprarational spiritual, to Israel and, through Israel, to all mankind. While the Written Torah, which reveals the light in the highest channel of our soul, is the product of God alone, the Oral Torah, which is inseparable from the Written Torah, and which reveals the light in a second channel of our soul, proximate to the life of deeds, derives its personality from the spirit of the nation. The Oral Torah can live in its fullness only when Israel lives in its fullness – in peace and independence in the Land of Israel. Thus, according to Kook, modern Zionism, whatever the intent of its secular ideologists, has universal religious significance, for it is acting in service of the Torah.

In the State of Israel, most writers and educators have maintained the secularist position of the early Zionists, namely, that the Torah was not revealed by God, in the traditional sense, but is the product of the national life of ancient Israel. Those who have discussed the Torah and its relation to the state from a religious point of view have mostly followed Kook or Buber. However, a radically rationalist approach to the nature of the Torah has been taught by Yeshayahu Leibowitz who emphasizes that the Torah is a law for the worship of God and for the consequent obliteration of the worship of men and things; in this connection, he condemns the subordination of the Torah to nationalism or to religious sentimentalism or to any ideology or institution. 

ETERNITY (OR NONABROGABILITY)
In the Bible there is no text unanimously understood to affirm explicitly the eternity or nonabrogability of the Torah; however, many laws of the Torah are accompanied by phrases such as, &quot;an everlasting injunction through your generations.&quot;

Whereas the rabbis understood the preexistence of the Torah in terms of its prerevelation existence in heaven, they understood the eternity or nonabrogability of the Torah in terms of its postrevelation existence, not in heaven; i.e., the whole Torah was given to Moses and no part of it remained in heaven. When Eliezer ben Hyrcanus and Joshua ben Hananiah were debating a point of Torah and a voice from heaven dramatically announced that Eliezer&#039;s position was correct, Joshua refused to recognize its testimony, for the Torah &quot;is not in heaven&quot;, and must be interpreted by men, unaided by the supernatural. It was a principle that &quot;a prophet is henceforth not permitted to innovate a thing.&quot; The rabbis taught that the Torah would continue to exist in the world to come, although some of them were of the opinion that innovations would be made in the messianic era.

With the rise to political power of Christianity and Islam, two religions which sought to convert Jews and which argued that particular injunctions of the Torah had been abrogated, the question of the eternity or &quot;nonabrogability&quot; of the Torah became urgent.

Saadiah Gaon stated that the children of Israel have a clear tradition from the prophets that the laws of the Torah are not subject to abrogation. Presenting scriptural corroboration for this tradition, he appealed to phrases appended to certain commandments, e.g., &quot;throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.&quot; According to one novel argument of his, the Jewish nation is a nation only by virtue of its laws, namely, the Torah; God has stated that the Jewish nation will endure as long as the heaven and earth; therefore, the Torah will last as long as heaven and earth. He interpreted the verses, &quot;Remember ye the Torah of Moses… Behold, I will send you Elijah…&quot; , as teaching that the Torah will hold valid until the prophet Elijah returns to herald the resurrection.

Maimonides listed the belief in the eternity of the Torah as the ninth of his 13 principles of Judaism, and connected it with the belief that no prophet will surpass Moses, the only man to give people laws through prophecy. He contended that the eternity of the Torah is stated clearly in the Bible, particularly in the passages &quot;thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it&quot; and &quot;the things that are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this Torah&quot;. He offered the following explanation of the Torah&#039;s eternity, based on its perfection and on the theory of the mean: &quot;The Torah of the Lord is perfect&quot; (Ps. 19:8) in that its statutes are just, i.e., that they are equibalanced between the burdensome and the indulgent; and &quot;when a thing is perfect as it is possible to be within its species, it is impossible that within that species there should be found another thing that does not fall short of the perfection either because of excess or deficiency.&quot;

Joseph Albo criticized Maimonides for listing the belief in the eternity of the Torah as an independent fundamental belief of Judaism. In a long discussion he contended that nonabrogation is not a fundamental principle of the Torah, and that moreover, no text can be found in the Bible to establish it. Ironically, his ultimate position turned out to be closer to Maimonides&#039; for he concluded that the belief in the nonabrogation of the Torah is a branch of the doctrine that no prophet will surpass the excellence of Moses.

After Albo, the question of the eternity of the Torah became routine in Jewish philosophical literature. However, in the Kabbalah it was never routine. In the 13th-century Sefer ha-Temunah a doctrine of cosmic cycles (or shemittot; cf. Deut. 15) was expounded, according to which creation is renewed every 7,000 years, at which times the letters of the Torah reassemble, and the Torah enters the new cycle bearing different words and meanings. Thus, while eternal in its unrevealed state, the Torah, in its manifestation in creation, is destined to be abrogated. This doctrine became popular in later kabbalistic and ḥasidic literature, and was exploited by the heretic Shabbetai Ẓevi and his followers, who claimed that a new cycle had begun, and in consequence he was able to teach that &quot;the abrogation of the Torah is its fulfillment!&quot;

Jewish philosophers of modern times have not concentrated on the question of the eternity or nonabrogability of the Torah. Nevertheless, it is not entirely untenable that the main distinction between Orthodox Judaism and non-Orthodox Judaism is that the latter rejects the literal interpretation of the ninth principle of Maimonides&#039; Creed that there will be no change in the Torah.&quot;

The difficulty with all these approaches is the difference between the written Torah, what it was based upon (i.e. an entity that either coexisted with Adonai or was the first creation of Adonai) and the need to insert material that is external to the writing itself. The pharisees added to the Torah heaping burden upon burden. Since they were the halachaic temple authority what they added became mandatory to observance making it difficult to seperate out various sects with the pharisees themselves. Everybody agreed, however, that that the written Torah forbade teaching it to the goyim (Det 33:4) which rabbinal Judaism holds to this day. The only exception is Jubilee. You appear to misunderstand that I am describing a distinction between purely religious observance and nationalist policies held by the state authority of the temple and enforced through both ethnic zealotry and the temple guard. Sha&#039;ul described both the political and religious written laws as imperfect and incomplete because even when you follow them you still die. Yeshua lived the difference that Sha&#039;ul described - destroying the power of death. If you understand Sha&#039;ul&#039;s theology then you eventually come to realize that Yeshua is the living Torah come down from heaven - not the written text Israel received from Moshe. I suspect my understanding of what both Sha&#039;ul and Yeshua teach is well founded. You appear to have missed the point that what the temple pharisees added was halachaically binding upon all Israel. There is no need to parse out which pharisee did which because they all obeyed the halacha with out reservation. Your argument turns into a loss of contrast because those who disobyed halacha were no longer considered pharisees. There is no contradiction in the hebraic worldview I present. It seems that you have created the need to impose one to justify your untenable position. When we scholars study context it is necessary to ensure that our comparisons do not violate the contextual integrity of the author. Otherwise we are simply redacting our own version rather than drawing out what may be hidden with in the authors assumptions. The exegete I have presented above is derived from a variety of biblical sources that seek to explain why the High Priest after failing to meet the witness demands of the Bet Din to justify a death verdict against Yeshua decided instead used a pharisaic line of questioning Yeshua that relied upon an understanding of a Divine Mashiach - something wholly alien to the Sadduces and therefore a product of the pharisee&#039;s halacha. If there is no grave violation of halacha then the Sanhadrin can not issue a death penalty. The High Priest therefore had to have understood precisely what I have described in my previous post about Abraham and Isaac in Gen 22 and used it against Yeshua because he understood that Yeshua believed himself to be the divine victim Adonai sent to fulfill Isaac&#039;s sacrifice. It must also have been the case that Yeshua was rejected by the temple pharisees precisely because he did not come in the temporal power and authority of Adonai who led Israel out of Egypt. This does not mean that Judaism accepts this as the meaning of the written Torah - it does not - but rather that the text of the gospels imply this by their internal consistency. That is where you have erred in understanding my exegete.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Christopher: you make this statement: </p>
<p>In general: obeying the law of Moses from a legalistic approach of balancing mitzvah against sin is embracing the wickedness of the Pharisees Jesus condemns.</p>
<p>This statement belies a a basic misunderstanding of the Hebraic world view of Yeshua and Sha’ul.&#8221; </p>
<p>Torah has several meanings in Judaism. It can be understood, for example, as the Chumash &#8211; a scroll made from kosher animal parchment with the text of the five books written on it. It can mean any writing that contains the entire 5 books written on it. It can also mean the entire corpus of Jewish observance. According to Eliezer ben Yose the Galilean, for 974 generations before the creation of the world the Torah lay in God&#8217;s bosom and joined the ministering angels in song. Simeon ben Lakish taught that the Torah preceded the world by 2,000 years and was written in black fire upon white fire. Akiva called the Torah &#8220;the precious instrument by which the world was created&#8221;. Rav said that God created the world by looking into the Torah as an architect builds a palace by looking into blueprints. Other Jewish sages, however, disregard the literal belief that the Torah existed before all else. Saadiah Gaon rejected this belief on the grounds that it contradicts the principle of creation ex nihilo. Judah Barzillai of Barcelona raised the problem of place. Where could God have kept a preexistent Torah? While allowing that God could conceivably have provided an ante-mundane place for a corporeal Torah, he preferred the interpretation that the Torah preexisted only as a thought in the divine mind. Similarly, the Ibn Ezra raised the problem of time. He wrote that it is impossible for the Torah to have preceded the world by 2,000 years or even by one moment, since time is an accident of motion, and there was no motion before God created the celestial spheres; rather, he concluded, the teaching about the Torah&#8217;s preexistence must be a metaphoric riddle.</p>
<p>Judah Halevi attempts to alleviate the argument by explaining that the Torah precedes the world in terms of teleology; God created the world for the purpose of revealing the Torah; therefore, since, as the philosophers say, &#8220;the first of thought is the end of the work,&#8221; the Torah is said to have existed before the world.</p>
<p>The Jewish Virtual library goes on to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Septuagint rendered the Hebrew torah by the Greek nomos (&#8220;law&#8221;), probably in the sense of a living network of traditions and customs of a people. The designation of the Torah by nomos, and by its Latin successor lex (whence, &#8220;the Law&#8221;), has historically given rise to the misunderstanding that Torah means legalism.</p>
<p>It was one of the very few real dogmas of rabbinic theology that the Torah is from heaven; i.e., the Torah in its entirety was revealed by God. According to biblical stories, Moses ascended into heaven to capture the Torah from the angels. In one of the oldest mishnaic statements it is taught that Torah is one of the three things by which the world is sustained. Eleazar ben Shammua said: &#8220;Were it not for the Torah, heaven and earth would not continue to exist&#8221;. </p>
<p>The Torah was often compared to fire, water, wine, oil, milk, honey, drugs, manna, the tree of life, and many other things; it was considered the source of freedom, goodness, and life; it was identified both with wisdom and with love. Hillel summarized the entire Torah in one sentence: &#8220;What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow&#8221;. Akiva said: &#8220;The fundamental principle of the Torah is the commandment, &#8216;Love thy neighbor as thyself &#8216;&#8221;. </p>
<p>The message of the Torah is for all mankind. Before giving the Torah to Israel, God offered it to the other nations, but they refused it; and when He did give the Torah to Israel, He revealed it in the extraterritorial desert and simultaneously in all the 70 languages, so that men of all nations would have a right to it. Alongside this universalism, the rabbis taught the inseparability of Israel and the Torah. One rabbi held that the concept of Israel existed in God&#8217;s mind even before He created the Torah. Yet, were it not for its accepting the Torah, Israel would not be &#8220;chosen,&#8221; nor would it be different from all the idolatrous nations.</p>
<p>Saadiah Gaon expounded a rationalist theory according to which the ethical and religious-intellectual beliefs imparted by the Torah are all attainable by human reason. He held that the Torah is divisible into two parts:</p>
<p>(1) commandments which, in addition to being revealed, are demanded by reason (e.g., prohibitions of murder, fornication, theft, lying); and</p>
<p>(2) commandments whose authority is revelation alone (e.g., Sabbath and dietary laws), but which generally are understandable in terms of some personal or social benefit attained by their performance. </p>
<p>In the period between Saadiah and Maimonides, most Jewish writers who speculated on the nature of the Torah continued in this rationalist tradition. </p>
<p>Judah Halevi, however, opposed the rationalist interpretation. He allowed that the Torah contains rational and political laws, but considered them preliminary to the specifically divine laws and teachings which cannot be comprehended by reason, e.g., the laws of the Sabbath which teach the omnipotence of God and the creation of the world. The Torah makes it possible to approach God by awe, love, and joy. It is the essence of wisdom, and the outcome of the will of God to reveal His kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. </p>
<p>While Judah Halevi held that Israel was created to fulfill the Torah, he wrote that there would be no Torah were there no Israel.</p>
<p>Maimonides emphasized that the Torah is the product of the unique prophecy of Moses. He maintained that the Torah has two purposes:</p>
<p>(1) The welfare of the body, which is a prerequisite of the ultimate purpose, is political, and &#8220;consists in the governance of the city and the well-being of the state of all its people according to their capacity.</p>
<p>(2) The welfare of the soul (intellect), which consists in the true perfection of man, his acquisition of immortality through intellection of the highest things.</p>
<p>Maimonides held that the Torah is similar to other laws in its concern with the welfare of the body; but its divine nature is reflected in its concern for the welfare of the soul. Maimonides saw the Torah as a rationalizing force, warring against superstition, imagination, appetite, and idolatry. He cited the rabbinic dictum, &#8220;Everyone who disbelieves in idolatry professes the Torah in its entirety&#8221;, and taught that the foundation of the Torah and the pivot around which it turns consists in the effacement of idolatry. He held that the Torah must be interpreted in the light of reason.</p>
<p>While Maimonides generally restricted analysis of the nature of the Torah to questions of its educational, moral, or political value, the Spanish kabbalists engaged in bold metaphysical speculation concerning its essence. The kabbalists taught that the Torah is a living organism. Some said the entire Torah consists of the names of God set in succession or interwoven into a fabric. Ultimately, it was said that the Torah is God. This identification of the Torah and God was understood to refer to the Torah in its true primordial essence, and not to its manifestation in the world of creation.</p>
<p>Influenced by Maimonides, Baruch Spinoza took the position that the Torah is an exclusively political law, however he broke radically with all rabbinic tradition by denying its divine nature, by making it an object of historical-critical investigation, and by maintaining that it was not written by Moses alone but by various authors living at different times. Moreover, he considered the Torah primitive, unscientific, and particularistic, and thus subversive to progress, reason, and universal morality. By portraying the Torah as a product of the Jewish people, he reversed the traditional opinion according to which the Jewish people are a product of the Torah.</p>
<p>Moses Mendelssohn considered the Torah a political law, but he affirmed its divine nature. He explained that the Torah does not intend to reveal new ideas about deism and morality, but rather, through its laws and institutions, to arouse men to be mindful of the true ideas attainable by all men through reason. By identifying the beliefs of the Torah with the truths of reason, Mendelssohn affirmed both its scientific respectability and its universalistic nature. By defining the Torah as a political law given to Israel by God, he preserved the traditional view that Israel is a product of the Torah, and not, as Spinoza claimed, vice versa.</p>
<p>With the rise of the science of Judaism (Wissenschaft des Judentums) in the 19th century, and the advance of the historical-critical approach to the Torah, many Jewish intellectuals, including ideologists of Reform like Abraham Geiger, followed Spinoza in seeing the Torah, at least in part, as a product of the primitive history of the Jewish nation. </p>
<p>The increasing intellectualization of the Torah was opposed by Samuel David Luzzatto. He contended that the belief that God revealed the Torah is the starting point of Judaism, and that this belief, with its momentous implications concerning the nature of God and His relation to man, cannot be attained by philosophy. Luzzatto held that the foundation of the whole Torah is compassion. </p>
<p>In their German translation of the Bible, Martin Buber translated torah as Weisung or Unterweisung (&#8220;Instruction&#8221;) and not as Gesetz (&#8220;Law&#8221;). In general, he agreed on the purpose of the Torah &#8211; to convert the universe and God from It to Thou &#8211; yet differed on several points concerning its nature. Buber saw the Torah as the past dialogue between Israel and God, and the present dialogue between the individual reader, the I, and God, the Thou. He concluded that while one must open himself to the entire teaching of the Torah, he need only accept a particular law of the Torah if he feels that it is being spoken now to him. </p>
<p>The secular Zionism of the late 19th and early 20th centuries gave religious thinkers new cause to define the relationship between the Torah and the Jewish nation. Some defined the Torah in terms of the nation. Thus, Mordecai Kaplan translated Ahad Ha-Am&#8217;s sociological theory of the evolution of Jewish civilization into a religious, though naturalistic, theory of the Torah as the &#8220;religious civilization of the Jews.&#8221;</p>
<p>Other thinkers defined the nation in terms of the Torah. Thus, Abraham Isaac Kook taught that the purpose of the Torah is to reveal the living light of the universe, the suprarational spiritual, to Israel and, through Israel, to all mankind. While the Written Torah, which reveals the light in the highest channel of our soul, is the product of God alone, the Oral Torah, which is inseparable from the Written Torah, and which reveals the light in a second channel of our soul, proximate to the life of deeds, derives its personality from the spirit of the nation. The Oral Torah can live in its fullness only when Israel lives in its fullness – in peace and independence in the Land of Israel. Thus, according to Kook, modern Zionism, whatever the intent of its secular ideologists, has universal religious significance, for it is acting in service of the Torah.</p>
<p>In the State of Israel, most writers and educators have maintained the secularist position of the early Zionists, namely, that the Torah was not revealed by God, in the traditional sense, but is the product of the national life of ancient Israel. Those who have discussed the Torah and its relation to the state from a religious point of view have mostly followed Kook or Buber. However, a radically rationalist approach to the nature of the Torah has been taught by Yeshayahu Leibowitz who emphasizes that the Torah is a law for the worship of God and for the consequent obliteration of the worship of men and things; in this connection, he condemns the subordination of the Torah to nationalism or to religious sentimentalism or to any ideology or institution. </p>
<p>ETERNITY (OR NONABROGABILITY)<br />
In the Bible there is no text unanimously understood to affirm explicitly the eternity or nonabrogability of the Torah; however, many laws of the Torah are accompanied by phrases such as, &#8220;an everlasting injunction through your generations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whereas the rabbis understood the preexistence of the Torah in terms of its prerevelation existence in heaven, they understood the eternity or nonabrogability of the Torah in terms of its postrevelation existence, not in heaven; i.e., the whole Torah was given to Moses and no part of it remained in heaven. When Eliezer ben Hyrcanus and Joshua ben Hananiah were debating a point of Torah and a voice from heaven dramatically announced that Eliezer&#8217;s position was correct, Joshua refused to recognize its testimony, for the Torah &#8220;is not in heaven&#8221;, and must be interpreted by men, unaided by the supernatural. It was a principle that &#8220;a prophet is henceforth not permitted to innovate a thing.&#8221; The rabbis taught that the Torah would continue to exist in the world to come, although some of them were of the opinion that innovations would be made in the messianic era.</p>
<p>With the rise to political power of Christianity and Islam, two religions which sought to convert Jews and which argued that particular injunctions of the Torah had been abrogated, the question of the eternity or &#8220;nonabrogability&#8221; of the Torah became urgent.</p>
<p>Saadiah Gaon stated that the children of Israel have a clear tradition from the prophets that the laws of the Torah are not subject to abrogation. Presenting scriptural corroboration for this tradition, he appealed to phrases appended to certain commandments, e.g., &#8220;throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.&#8221; According to one novel argument of his, the Jewish nation is a nation only by virtue of its laws, namely, the Torah; God has stated that the Jewish nation will endure as long as the heaven and earth; therefore, the Torah will last as long as heaven and earth. He interpreted the verses, &#8220;Remember ye the Torah of Moses… Behold, I will send you Elijah…&#8221; , as teaching that the Torah will hold valid until the prophet Elijah returns to herald the resurrection.</p>
<p>Maimonides listed the belief in the eternity of the Torah as the ninth of his 13 principles of Judaism, and connected it with the belief that no prophet will surpass Moses, the only man to give people laws through prophecy. He contended that the eternity of the Torah is stated clearly in the Bible, particularly in the passages &#8220;thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it&#8221; and &#8220;the things that are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this Torah&#8221;. He offered the following explanation of the Torah&#8217;s eternity, based on its perfection and on the theory of the mean: &#8220;The Torah of the Lord is perfect&#8221; (Ps. 19:8) in that its statutes are just, i.e., that they are equibalanced between the burdensome and the indulgent; and &#8220;when a thing is perfect as it is possible to be within its species, it is impossible that within that species there should be found another thing that does not fall short of the perfection either because of excess or deficiency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joseph Albo criticized Maimonides for listing the belief in the eternity of the Torah as an independent fundamental belief of Judaism. In a long discussion he contended that nonabrogation is not a fundamental principle of the Torah, and that moreover, no text can be found in the Bible to establish it. Ironically, his ultimate position turned out to be closer to Maimonides&#8217; for he concluded that the belief in the nonabrogation of the Torah is a branch of the doctrine that no prophet will surpass the excellence of Moses.</p>
<p>After Albo, the question of the eternity of the Torah became routine in Jewish philosophical literature. However, in the Kabbalah it was never routine. In the 13th-century Sefer ha-Temunah a doctrine of cosmic cycles (or shemittot; cf. Deut. 15) was expounded, according to which creation is renewed every 7,000 years, at which times the letters of the Torah reassemble, and the Torah enters the new cycle bearing different words and meanings. Thus, while eternal in its unrevealed state, the Torah, in its manifestation in creation, is destined to be abrogated. This doctrine became popular in later kabbalistic and ḥasidic literature, and was exploited by the heretic Shabbetai Ẓevi and his followers, who claimed that a new cycle had begun, and in consequence he was able to teach that &#8220;the abrogation of the Torah is its fulfillment!&#8221;</p>
<p>Jewish philosophers of modern times have not concentrated on the question of the eternity or nonabrogability of the Torah. Nevertheless, it is not entirely untenable that the main distinction between Orthodox Judaism and non-Orthodox Judaism is that the latter rejects the literal interpretation of the ninth principle of Maimonides&#8217; Creed that there will be no change in the Torah.&#8221;</p>
<p>The difficulty with all these approaches is the difference between the written Torah, what it was based upon (i.e. an entity that either coexisted with Adonai or was the first creation of Adonai) and the need to insert material that is external to the writing itself. The pharisees added to the Torah heaping burden upon burden. Since they were the halachaic temple authority what they added became mandatory to observance making it difficult to seperate out various sects with the pharisees themselves. Everybody agreed, however, that that the written Torah forbade teaching it to the goyim (Det 33:4) which rabbinal Judaism holds to this day. The only exception is Jubilee. You appear to misunderstand that I am describing a distinction between purely religious observance and nationalist policies held by the state authority of the temple and enforced through both ethnic zealotry and the temple guard. Sha&#8217;ul described both the political and religious written laws as imperfect and incomplete because even when you follow them you still die. Yeshua lived the difference that Sha&#8217;ul described &#8211; destroying the power of death. If you understand Sha&#8217;ul&#8217;s theology then you eventually come to realize that Yeshua is the living Torah come down from heaven &#8211; not the written text Israel received from Moshe. I suspect my understanding of what both Sha&#8217;ul and Yeshua teach is well founded. You appear to have missed the point that what the temple pharisees added was halachaically binding upon all Israel. There is no need to parse out which pharisee did which because they all obeyed the halacha with out reservation. Your argument turns into a loss of contrast because those who disobyed halacha were no longer considered pharisees. There is no contradiction in the hebraic worldview I present. It seems that you have created the need to impose one to justify your untenable position. When we scholars study context it is necessary to ensure that our comparisons do not violate the contextual integrity of the author. Otherwise we are simply redacting our own version rather than drawing out what may be hidden with in the authors assumptions. The exegete I have presented above is derived from a variety of biblical sources that seek to explain why the High Priest after failing to meet the witness demands of the Bet Din to justify a death verdict against Yeshua decided instead used a pharisaic line of questioning Yeshua that relied upon an understanding of a Divine Mashiach &#8211; something wholly alien to the Sadduces and therefore a product of the pharisee&#8217;s halacha. If there is no grave violation of halacha then the Sanhadrin can not issue a death penalty. The High Priest therefore had to have understood precisely what I have described in my previous post about Abraham and Isaac in Gen 22 and used it against Yeshua because he understood that Yeshua believed himself to be the divine victim Adonai sent to fulfill Isaac&#8217;s sacrifice. It must also have been the case that Yeshua was rejected by the temple pharisees precisely because he did not come in the temporal power and authority of Adonai who led Israel out of Egypt. This does not mean that Judaism accepts this as the meaning of the written Torah &#8211; it does not &#8211; but rather that the text of the gospels imply this by their internal consistency. That is where you have erred in understanding my exegete.</p>
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