The Emotional Mind

Recently several people have come to me asking about the existence of God.  They want to know if there are any arguments that are convincing enough to make them believe.  They want me to demonstrate to their satisfaction that the Bible must be true.  While I am capable of taking them through detailed discussions of epistemology (that is, how we know truth), I usually find that this is not what they are really asking.  [If you want to read about the question “How do we know what is true?” please consider my article called What Makes Sense].  What they are usually asking is much more personal.  Unless we understand the emotional mind, we can easily be distracted into interesting and thought-provoking discussions that never get us to what is most important – what does this mean to me?

Most questions about God really have nothing to do with God’s existence.  There are a few people who seriously question God’s existence, but they are actually rather rare.  Most people claim to believe in God.  Whether that is a result of cultural bias or the history of civilization is not an issue here.  How they came to hold this belief doesn’t really matter.  What matters is that once people begin to question what believing in God really means in their personal lives, they begin to struggle with some of the implications.  That’s usually when they start the arguments.  But oddly enough, they don’t usually doubt God’s existence.  Instead, they begin to doubt the implications of God’s existence for their current lifestyle.  At that point, the real issue is not whether God exists; it is whether God has any claim on me.

This immediately presents another problem.  Just believing that God exists is relatively unproblematic.  As long as God stays in His heaven and leaves me alone, I really don’t have to care if He exists or not.  The problem shows up when the God who is up there in heaven shows up down here and starts telling me how I should live.  God’s existence rarely bothers anyone (as we can plainly see from the fact that the majority of the Western world espouses a belief in God’s existence but apparently this makes very little difference to the crime statistics).  The real rub is when God tells me what to do, how to behave and how to treat Him.  As long as God makes no claims on me, there is no problem.  Unfortunately, life seems to bring us to places where we have to confront these claims of God.  So, the debate begins.

We have at least two different ways of handling this kind of crisis.  We can retreat, either intellectually or emotionally.  Or we can press forward and accept the risk of change.  Retreating usually means that we will do our best to ignore the pressure.  We may comply if the community requires it, or we may opt out of the community and set our own standards.  Intellectually we can retreat as well.  We can become part of the “questioning” society.  After all, it is always possible to ask another question, to put off a decision because there is one more item to discuss.  We can avoid commitment or confirmation by traveling the pathway of “enlightenment”, always seeking, never arriving.  Any form of retreat reduces risk.  No change is necessary.  No beliefs are challenged.  No behavior is altered.

This is the plateau of the emotional mind.

Let me explain.

Most people who are confronted with questions about God are disturbed because the questions that they face make demands on them that they are not willing to accept.  If there really is a God, and He really is the creator of everything, then there are implications about His relationship to everything that intellectually cannot be avoided.  But emotionally they can be avoided.  I can compartmentalize God.  God belongs in my “religious” life, not in my business life, my social life, my relationship life.  When I go to church or when I am in real trouble and need His assistance or when I observe religious holidays, God shows up for the event.  Whether is it Yom Kippur or Easter, a wedding or a funeral doesn’t matter.  God is a functionary in those areas of my life that are “religious”.  The rest of the time, it’s up to me.  No more poignant example of compartmentalization can be found than the baptism from The Godfather Part I.  The scene vacillates between Michael Corleone fulfilling the Catholic ritual of becoming godfather, espousing his belief in Christ and denying the works of the devil and the execution of members of rival families.  This is Mafia Christianity, nothing personal – strictly business.  The graphic portrayal of this hypocrisy is intentional, but no less alarming than the ratiocinations and manipulations that each of us go through as we try to justify our own deliberate separation of God from every aspect of our lives.  If God is really God, there is nothing that isn’t personal.  We just want to pretend that He is not involved.

A truly intellectual commitment would immediately recognize that once God’s existence is accepted, everything about life changes.  If there is a God, what God has to say about life must be understood and acknowledged.  There can never be a middle ground.  The pursuit of truth demands that truth be enacted as it is discovered.  Truth cannot be set on the shelf while life goes on without incorporating it into the process of living.  That would be tantamount to living a known lie.  Unfortunately, even though most of us agree intellectually that there are immediate, undeniable consequences for our personal lives if we acknowledge God’s existence, we go right on acting as though none of this matters.  That’s because we are not true seekers.  We are letting the emotional mind dominate our choices.

Is it any wonder that there are so few people who really search for Truth?  Finding it can present incredible risks.  Life can become completely unstable.  Options that were heretofore only seen as possibilities suddenly become demands.  No truly intellectual pursuit can suspend moral conduct once the Truth is revealed.  If it is really True, it must be upheld, no matter what the costs.  No wonder most of us take a different road when we are faced with these sorts of questions.

In opposition to the intellectual mind, the emotional mind seeks a different goal.  The emotional mind seeks justification.  Seeking justification presupposes that we come to the data (for example, the Biblical record) with the motivation of matching it up with something that we already believe.  For example, if I believe that miracles are scientifically impossible (if I believe that the law of cause and effect is inviolable), then the examples of miracles that I find scattered throughout the text of the Bible will have to be re-interpreted into the categories of my system of beliefs.  So, miracles will become “illusions”, “misunderstandings”, “religious frenzy”, “redactions” or some other explanation.  Since miracles cannot exist, no account of the miraculous can be true no matter what “evidence” might be presented.

Let’s consider another example, perhaps a little less contentious.  The Bible claims that everyone is estranged from God because of sin.  As a consequence of this estrangement, every human being who has ever sinned is subject to God’s final judgment and punishment.  If I am looking for justification of my belief that there is more than one pathway to God, that God would never send millions of human beings to Hell, or that Hell itself is an outmoded concept, then I will have to re-interpret the text of the Bible so that these statements are seen as the misguided statements of unenlightened past ages or the mistakes of prior church extrapolations or the false beliefs of an ancient nomadic people.  I will not try to understand the claims about sin from the perspective of the interpretive scheme of the Bible itself because the very idea of sin, guilt and punishment is not in my belief system.  I don’t like the thought that I might be under God’s judgment for my behavior, so I choose to re-interpret the claims to match my desires.

One more example will bring the inquiry to a personal level (where it usually begins anyway).  Suppose that I like the way that I live now.  I enjoy the freedom of doing what I want, when I want.  I subscribe to the moral code, “If it doesn’t hurt anyone, it’s OK”.  Then I read in the Bible that immorality, sensuality, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, envyings, drunkenness and carousings are actions that are unacceptable to God.  God’s message to me through the Bible is that my particular moral code is deficient, and ultimately punishable.  I am confronted at the personal level.  If I seek to justify my life style, I will have to look for ways to show that these words were written to earlier churches in situations where civil unrest, cultural conflict and religious battles made people think differently than we do today.  Those people lived 2000 years ago.  Things have changed.  We are much more pluralistic today.  We live in a global village.   The rigidity of those old beliefs must be replaced with more cosmopolitan views.  The God that I want to believe in is much more tolerant than that angry God of the Old Testament.  My modern God is a God of love and understanding so those old ideas no longer apply.

Justification fails to find any answers to serious questions because justification is not interested in any answers except those that support the emotional mind.  Justification is concerned with hidden agendas.  Almost every person I have ever talked with about God has eventually confessed that the motivation behind the sophistry is a deeply personal one.  There is something that is being challenged; something that they do not want to give up.  These personal issues outweigh feigned commitment to the Truth.

I believe that I can hold my own in intellectual discussions.  With many degrees and years of education, I can usually find points of common ground.  I can almost always move the argument forward at some level.  I am not the most intellectual person I know (thank God), but I am also no intellectual slouch.  What I have learned over the years is that the most important opening question in such debates has nothing to do with evidence, historicity, textual criticism, logical problems or hermeneutics.  The most important opening question has to do with motivation:  “Why do you want to know the answer to this question?”  “Why is this question troubling you?”  “Why do you think that this question is important for your life?”  Motivation is the key. It separates those who seek justification from those who seek understanding.  If the real motivation is justifying a prior commitment to a web of beliefs or a lifestyle or a particular behavior, the remaining debate will be fruitless no matter what the outcome.  This is especially true when it comes to questions about the God of the Bible.  That is because the God of the Bible is basically interested in only one thing – His claim on our lives.  To ignore the moral element of this God is to ignore the central tenant of the entire spiritual environment presented in this text.  If I am only interested in justifying my commitment to self-serving beliefs, I cannot follow the message of the text wherever it will lead because to do so will contradict my right to myself.  According to the Bible, God is interested in me for His purposes, not mine.  I cannot approach this material without giving that claim its proper place.  That means I will be confronted not only intellectually but also morally.  God will demand certain changes from me; changes that I may find very uncomfortable.  There is great risk associated with approaching this text.  My life might have to be re-written.  Or I can refuse this demand and simply use the words of the text to provide justification for my a priori beliefs.

Let me give a very “politically incorrect” example.  There has been a great deal of debate in society about the authenticity of the gay lifestyle.  All sorts of arguments have been presented to explain its origins, its virtues and its benefits.  Laws have been passed to prevent abuse against those who practice such a lifestyle.  It is definitely on the political hot list.  Movies, television and media all show deference to this issue.  No one wants to be called a “bigot”.  Even within the Christian church, great efforts have been made to try to find Scriptural sanctions of this behavior.  The commotion caused by all of this is just an indicator of the depth of the problem.

The problem is fairly straightforward.  In the letter to the Romans, Paul states that behavior associated with homosexuality is morally illegitimate and subject to God’s wrath (Romans 1:26-27).  The same idea is repeated in several other passages.  Homosexuality is considered a sin.  This has been the interpretation of the text for nearly 1900 years.  But now society has adopted pluralistic values.  It is no longer correct to say that another lifestyle is “wrong” or “sinful”.  Modern man must accommodate all the varieties of sexual preference as long as the actions are between consenting adults (or some such qualification).  For the person who seeks understanding rather than justification, these verses present a serious issue.  I cannot skirt their implications.  I cannot perform textual or cultural surgery in order to relegate them to the irrelevant.  I am faced with a decision.  The Bible does not care, or comment, on how a person comes to practice this lifestyle.  It does not care what genetic code, childhood trauma, cultural inclinations or personal decisions prompted this behavior.  It cares only about one thing:  that God finds this behavior reprehensible.  You can either make a choice to understand why the Bible says this, regardless of what that may mean for changes in how you behave, or you can decide that you know better than the claims made on behalf of God and ignore the text.  There really is no middle ground.  Your approach really comes down to motivation.  In the final analysis, the truth will still be the Truth whether we like it or not.  We are either motivated to know the Truth, no matter what it says, or we are motivated to maintain our beliefs no matter what they are.  This motivation is no different for scientific claims than religious claims.  If we seek Truth, we must be ready to risk our present beliefs.

If we are to understand rather than justify, we will have to take a different approach.  We will have to begin by trying to put ourselves as much as possible into the framework of the authors of the books of the Bible.  We will have to work hard at opening our minds to allow their view of the universe to reformulate our preconceived categories.  No other inquiry will suffice for any other method will ultimately be self-serving.  Without a serious attempt to place ourselves in the interpretive scheme of the text, we will find only those answers that we want to find.

Therefore, the first task in understanding is to reflect on motivation.  Our motivation must be to seek the pure truth, as best as we are able to, no matter where it leads or what current beliefs we may have to jettison along the way.  Otherwise the entire effort is doomed.  Otherwise we will end up at the beginning – knowing nothing more than we already believe to be the case.  To proceed, we must incorporate a simple heuristic device (a device that we neither hold to be true or false but simply pragmatic – it gets the job done).   That device is:  whenever we encounter a statement that seems counter to one of our current beliefs, we must ask the hard question about our motivation before we pass judgment on the belief.   If we don’t like the sound of it, if we hesitate about the implications, if we are challenged or confronted, we will not dismiss the claim until we have first examined why we are reacting.  Our reactions are indications of interpretive scheme conflict.  After all, men and women who were players within the interpretive scheme of the Bible, whose lives are written within the pages of the story, did not seem to have major intellectual problems accepting the claims of the text.  The data they encounter was integrated into their interpretive schemes without much difficulty.  They had lots of problems, but they were not intellectual or rational ones.  And they were just as human as we are.  So, when we encounter something in this long story that seems difficult for us, we need to examine our thinking to make sure that we are not excluding the idea simply because it does not fit our current set of presuppositions.   We need to be sure that we are not dismissing the claim because we don’t like what it says.

In summary, first comes an examination of motivation.  Why are we seeking answers?  The motive will illuminate our presuppositions.  If we are going to look for truth, we better understand what is pushing us.  Secondly, we need to pay attention to our own internal alarms.  Yes, we will always be subject to an interpretive scheme.  That can’t be avoided.  But as we approach the text, looking for truth, we must pay special attention to those concepts and ideas that disturb us the most.  They are likely to reveal our own hidden biases.  If we ignore these alarms, we are likely to find no more than what we wanted to.  Thirdly, we must make every effort to read the text as though we are part of the interpretive scheme of the original audience.  Not an easy task.  But not impossible.  The methodology is fairly straightforward.  Start with the words.  Find their etymological roots.  See how they develop.  Dig into the cultural influences.  Then assume that the choice of word is not accidental.  Ask why this particular word was used in this particular place.  How does it fit into the larger interpretive scheme?  After a little practice, it won’t be so difficult, although it will undoubtedly challenge some of our modern ways of looking at things

If we are going to understand what the Bible says, we must take extra caution to detect the influence of the emotional mind.  We need to develop the skill of hearing our own internal alarms.  Read the words.  How do they make you feel?  Sad, angry, upset, confused, guilty, ashamed, joyful, serene – the emotional list is long.  Examine those feelings with care.  They are clues to your own web of beliefs, the very ones that may prevent you from hearing what the text is really saying.  Intellectual understanding can come only after these biases are clarified and admitted.

The Bible is a very curious book.  It is not a philosophical text, a theological treatise or a moral codebook.  It is a love story.  It is the story about a God who is intimately involved with each and every part of His creation.  It is very personal.  It involves emotions in the deepest way.  It is a story filled with hate, anger, revenge, jealousy, fear, guilt, shame – and also peace, mercy, joy, laughter, desire, comfort and love.  Without recognizing the essential emotional element of this story we will have nothing but dry old manuscripts.  We will miss the Truth in the scrolls.  Emotional involvement with this story is anticipated, expected, even necessary if we are going to understand it.  Let yourself feel what it is saying.  Ask yourself why you feel this way?  Use those answers to come to terms with the story itself.  You may be surprised at what you discover.

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Tami

OMG Skip this is sooo good! I mean I’m speechless. Thank you again for a guide on getting more emotionally involved in the scriptures and with God and on seeking truth!

Libby

Just wanted to comment on this. I am not smart enough to argue with you or others on the blog. You are far superior in intelligence. I don’t say this as an insult to myself. It is a statement of fact. …… Your style of writing, your philosophical bent.. Your mastery of Greek and Hebrew language is beyond my ability to argue. As are others on this site who are intellectually superior.

I guess my main comment is that Yeshua says divorce is wrong except for cases of fornication. So I guess I am wondering about divorced people. Are all the divorced people who are believers divorced because of fornication. I mean adultery is one of the ten sayings. I know of course that Moses made an allowance or God allowed Moses to make an allowance? Which way is it? And that really it is not divorce that is wrong. It is sending the wife away without a bill of divorce. But Jesus doesn’t make an allowance for this. Jesus takes us back to Genesis. I am sure you and others will be able to tell me some reason this is not correct on my part.

Homosexuality is a big topic right now. I have two family members who are currently in this lifestyle. I have to say I find you somewhat hypocritical. As I do so many others who are divorced. I hear divorced people making judgments about people in the homosexual lifestyle. And I find it convenient that you and others have decided that Scripture can make an allowance for divorce but apparently that is the only thing.

Children from divorced homes pay a price. And when the parents get remarried to someone else, I wonder if they bother to ask God if that is best for their children. I wonder if they bother to ask their children how they feel about it?
Not to mention that Jesus would say it is a sin.

Luther

Sorry, I would try to explain this in ways you and others do on this site without getting personal or bogged down in details, but it is the only way I am able to express myself. IF a believer gets married to another believer before God. They have children. Then ten years later, one decides they don’t want to be married anymore. They get divorced. Can either believer get remarried based on what Jesus says? You may be lonely. You may have needs that won’t get met. You get remarried because you feel God doesn’t want you to be alone. Isn’t that the same reasoning a homosexual person applies? How is it different?

And if Jesus is speaking to a particular group, couldn’t the same be said for Moses? And again Jesus does take us back to Genesis.

It seems that you are asking others to follow a standard that perhaps divorced people don’t follow themselves. Moses makes allowance for divorce, but is getting remarried the best option? Is it even an option? What does Yeshua say? Doesn’t he take us back to Genesis?

And it seems when we consider that God does speak through a person at a particular time, are they not a product of their culture in that time period? I don’t know what the academic term is for what I am trying to get at here. In other words, the matriarchal society of the Bible. The fact that the Bible is primarily written through the eyes of men. That the Mosaic code speaks to men primarily.

And when God says he hates divorce in Malachi, are we really suppose to believe it is literally just sending the woman away with a writ of divorce? Is that the meaning of that Scripture?

Libby

You didn’t really address my questions concerning divorce, reasons for divorce. What about Jesus comment that takes us back to Genesis?

Tami

I found this May 4, 2010 TW on Matthew 5:31-32 https://skipmoen.com/2010/05/matthew-session-19/

Libby

Thanks, I listened. Jesus takes us back to Genesis 2:24 in Mark 10:6-9. Should a believer get remarried is still a question? God is faithful to Israel regardless of her unfaithfulness. He divorces Israel, but does He go and marry someone else? Maybe those marriages that survive adultery exemplify God’s character more than those that don’t. God is still and always will be faithful to Israel.

Libby

The issues of adultery and homosexuality are addressed in the Pentateuch. Both are considered sins. The only way to break the marital covenant is when there has been an act of sexual unfaithfulness according to Jesus words. So if two believers remarry to other believers, but there was no sexual infidelity, aren’t they living in sin? I don’t understand how this can be different from the homosexual lifestyle. Aren’t they both wrong?

In Mathew 19, Jesus says if a man divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman he commits adultery. Mark 10 addresses this to both the man and woman.

I mean how would you respond to a homosexual person who raised these questions? Homosexuality goes against the natural order of things, but I think we can say the same about adultery.

Sorry for making it personal, but I responded that way because it is personal for me right now. I do think homosexuality is a sin. But perhaps there are lots of married people living in sin, too. I’m done and don’t need a response. Just sharing thoughts.

Lorie

If a drug addict believes but doesn’t stop using, then he is not saved? I don’t think that is our call to make. I mean how much behavior change is required before grace applies? Do we make that call?

Luther

You don’t need to be an academic to understand the fruit of the Spirit.

Lee

I am sorry to say I cannot be part of a community that supports a place called hell. I see judgment, and I don’t know what that will be like for those who are deemed wicked. But I do not see any verses that support “hell” as in eternal torment of some kind.

I don’t think the word should appear in any verses in Scripture.

Lee

When I read your TW about God sending people to hell, it was very upsetting to me last night. In fact I had trouble sleeping. I woke up with my heart racing this morning.

The word hell isn’t in the text. I cannot support any community that endorses a place called hell where people will be burned forever? as many people thought for a long time or now where they will suffer separation from God -eternal conscious torment that is never ending. I can support punishment because the text says this and I can support the fact that some people won’t be part of the Kingdom. And I can support a second death in a lake of fire because the text says this. But one could ask the question will it be a lake of fire or just symbolic of death with no more chances. The end.

I know God is in control. And I know God doesn’t need me to defend Him. 🙂 But this to me isn’t like debating the Trinity or any other doctrinal issue. This is about the kind of God we serve. And a reflection of the kind of Savior we serve. I love the Father. I love the Son. I am thankful Yeshua has given me a new life. The breath of God was breathed back into me. Gratitude has no end for me.

Rob Bell says we can keep the word hell because of the kind of world we live in. I think it is a good word to reflect the evil and misery we see in the world. But for me the word reflects things about our Creator that are not Truth. People use this word to say things about God that aren’t true. People should be afraid of judgment but again judgment doesn’t equal a place called hell.

If you are saying you believe in this….that there will be a place in the restored cosmos for people to be suffering forever and forever, then no, I cannot be a part of that.

I love so much of your work that I have read or heard you speak on. Your work on the beatitudes is so profound. It speaks to me in so many ways. I thank you for Guardian Angel because you gave me Biblical support to know women are equal partners with men. And I love your book, Crossword Puzzles because of what it says about salvlation and the Cross. I thank you for all of this work! It is invaluable to me!!

Libby

“If I am looking for justification of my belief that there is more than one pathway to God, that God would never send millions of human beings to Hell, or that Hell itself is an outmoded concept, then I will have to re-interpret the text of the Bible so that these statements are seen as the misguided statements of unenlightened past ages or the mistakes of prior church extrapolations or the false beliefs of an ancient nomadic people.”

What does Hell mean to you in this sentence? And what do you mean by eternal damnation?

Jack C

When you look at the moral legislation in the Bible, it says ‘when a man does ” . Women really didn’t have any rights per se. So it is in some sense it is “man’s” interpretation of God’s law. What would you call this? And how does progressive revelation fit in with all this? I don’t know if I am using the right terminology, but I hope my questions make some sense.

I’ve been reading your daily words for a while now. Going back to what it would have meant to the original audience has been a new way of seeing scripture. But how do we take this and apply it for us today? It is frustrating at times to know how to apply these words. And can God not allow for new understanding of His moral and legislative words?

Seeker

Jack there exist some views from later eras AD that biblical terms should be interpreted as modern law when one gender is mentioned it also refers to the other. Except when such an interpretation will not make sence or be possible. The same for transgressions, homosexuality is single gender sex. Both male and female. Although sex is not a sin unto death see forgiveness of aldulterous. What seems to be implied as unforgiveable is living together and not a once off thing. Although this is even debatable think of Noah. Solomon. Dawid. Abraham etc numerous actions that amount to aldultrous conduct yet no reference to their penalty of death but only some to their Godly attributes. This makes our interpretation difficult as how is one persons conduct left unpunished while another is threatened with permanent tormenting…
Even on this blog great scholars have different views. But what I understand as true is how we interpret and measure is how we will be judged and tormented.
Best is say your say and forget it ever happened, forgive 70 X 70 times a day. Even for the same sin. But never forget to request sin no more…
Judgement is in Moses while Forgiveness is in Christ. Yet their is only one Judge God. And as Skip has explaines in numerous TW God accepts and adapts where remorse and repentence is shown and that does not matter how severe we understand the transgression…
Laurita makes a clear distiction in TW The End which relates to this topic. God destroys once but judges continously. I add to this… Not individuals but rather specific conducts…