Some Thoughts About Knowing

But How Do I Know?

Recently many readers have asked questions about knowing. The questions come in different forms, but they are all basically about the same thing. “Now that I see the Hebraic basis of Scripture, how do I know what to do? How can I be sure?” In other words, we can read the words of the text but we aren’t sure exactly what they mean. We want to know so we can apply them correctly.

This is an epistemological issue. Epistemology is the Greek term for the way we know things. For centuries, Western thinkers attempted to base their method of knowing on a mathematical structure. The reason they chose mathematical models is simple: mathematics provides certainty. 2+2 is always 4. Parallel lines never meet (in Euclidian geometry). There is no “interpretation” here. It is either True or False. And it’s all very logical. Men were looking for a way to have certainty about the world and mathematically based models seemed to be the answer. But over the course of hundreds of years, it became obvious that this doesn’t work. While there is certainty within the mathematical system (like number theory and geometry), as soon as we try to apply the same kind of logic to the world, things get very messy. Interpretation comes back into the picture and answers don’t always seem to be either True or False. Eventually, thinkers gave up on the hope of finding a way of knowing that was intuitively obvious, logically necessary and certain. They were forced to move to a different kind of certainty; a certainty based on psychological experience.

We have discussed this a bit in the last months. This kind of certainty is quite popular in religious circles. It is knowledge based on my personal experience. The strength of this way of knowing is that I can’t really doubt what I experience. If my shoulder hurts (and it does), then it hurts even if the doctor tells me that there is no reason for it to hurt. The pain is immediately obvious to me regardless of his evaluation. It is my truth. I am certain of it. You find this kind of epistemology when people claim “This is what God revealed to me,” or “I just know this is true in my heart.” In other words, they just can’t doubt what they have experienced. But there’s a big problem. The doctor who can’t find anything wrong to explain my pain can admit that I feel it, but that doesn’t mean it is real. It’s real for me, but I might be delusional or a psychosomatic. In other words, personal experience does not provide public, testable truth. We have the same problem with religious experience. God might have told you that this is what He means, but unless there is some way for me to have exactly the same psychologically certain experience, all you can really say is, “This is true for me,” and that amounts to not very much since being “true for me” can lead to all kinds of ridiculous claims. For example, I could argue that God told me the end of the world will be in 2012. I can be certain about it. But you won’t believe me unless you have something more than my word on the subject. You want outside evidence, not just my personal experience.

This problem forced philosophy to move toward inference as the way of knowing. We all use this epistemological model every day. We gather evidence, evaluate claims, look for patterns and draw conclusions. This is the popularized “scientific method.” It is knowing by experimenting. It seems to work pretty well. Everyone wants a reason to believe a claim and this method seems to be based entirely on reasoned conclusions. Just go get the facts. For most of us, this is about as far as we go. But deep thinkers about science recognized that often, far too often, what we consider evidence is already determined by prior commitments; commitments for which there is no evidence. For example, prior to the explosion of the first atomic bomb, many world-famous physicists believed that the atom was the smallest building block of matter and therefore, could not be split. The atomic bomb disproved that belief in one incredible moment, but a large number of physicists simply refused to accept the evidence because it didn’t fit the theory. They went right on teaching that the atom couldn’t be split. They denied the existence of the atomic bomb until they died. History shows that this entrenched resistance is often the case. Galileo, Copernicus, Crick and other pioneers in science faced entrenched positions that refused to accept any “new” evidence. The current political environment is a prefect example of prior commitments providing what is “evidence.” Is the economy getting better or worse? Just look at the evidence. But, of course, the “evidence” is determined by my prior political viewpoint. What we discovered is that “evidence” itself depends on prior assumptions. It doesn’t come to us “clean.” It is always part of an interpretive scheme.

This is a very big problem in religion. So many times we find theologians claiming that the “evidence” conclusively shows such-and-such. But these same theologians refuse to see anything except what fits their prior interpretive schemes. For example, if you believe in “sinful nature,” you will find all kinds of evidence for it in Scripture. But you have to come to the text with a prior commitment to total depravity in order to fit all the verses together. There are no verses that say, “Men have a sinful nature and are totally depraved.” That is a conclusion drawn for seeing the text in a certain way. The same is true for the doctrine of the Trinity. You get the idea. The reason we spend time discussing the underlying interpretive schemes (the prior commitments like “replacement theology”) is simple: these prior commitments shape Scripture to fit what we already believe. Often we translate verses based on these prior commitments, not on the actual words themselves. Translations that follow this kind of thinking disguise the prior commitment within the text. You never even know that the translation depends on an unsubstantiated belief. You become the victim of someone’s theological bias.

There are a lot of additional problems with this “evidence gathering” epistemology that would require much deeper discussion. It is sufficient now to simply realize that the hope of finding interpretive-neutral evidence has been abandoned. Everyone comes to the evidence with his or her own filter. The world isn’t a blank slate. It is already populated with “how I see things.” So, philosophers moved to another way of knowing. They were forced to concede that all knowing is theory dependent. In other words, truth depends on my interpretive scheme. I can only know what is “true” from inside my way of looking at the world.

This claim might seem harmless, but it isn’t. This model really amounts to everyone having their own view of what is true. And that, of course, means that there is no such thing as final, real truth. You will notice that this claim is logically contradictory since it claims that all interpretive schemes are like this and that itself is a final claim about truth. You can see the problem. Once we arrive at the “this is true for me” way of knowing, argument, discussion, apologetics and persuasion become impossible. The popularized version of this now dominates the culture. “It’s just my belief.” “You believe what you want to believe and I believe what I want to believe.” “You can’t force your beliefs on anyone else. All beliefs are equal.” This is “all paths lead to God” kind of thinking. Just live your own life. Do what you can. But don’t try to convert anyone else. We are all just prisoners of our own way of thinking.

After 2500 years of Western philosophy, the project of finding the truth is bankrupt. Western thought can’t think its way out of this box. It is finished. Everyone just lives in their own worldview with nothing much to say to anyone else.

Contemporary education in the West preaches this model. Most of your children are being taught that this is the only way to view truth. This is epistemological tolerance. Presenting the Bible to people who have this view of epistemology is almost a waste of time. They are happy that you have found something that works for you, but it isn’t true for them and since there is no final truth, there are no final “proofs” that you are right and they are wrong.

I hope you can appreciate the difficulty this presents for understanding the Bible. Religious people seem to be trapped in two camps. They either base their arguments on a claim about personal certainty or on claims about evidence. Now you can see why both of these models don’t work. For example, arguments about creationism are flawed because they depend on the evidence model. The same is true for the popular apologetics of “proving” Jesus is God. On the other hand, most attempts to acquaint people with a loving God follow the experience model. This approach is filled with personal testimonies and religious feelings. Christians can’t embrace the “no final truth” interpretive scheme model because they want to claim that there really is absolute truth, but when it comes to demonstrating that claim, all kinds of deeper issues emerge. In my opinion, this entire road (from mathematical certainty to private interpretive schemes) is a dead-end. There is no way out of here. We have to find another road.

That’s where the Eastern, Hebraic view seems to fit. It doesn’t begin with the idea of human reason finding the right path. It begins with divine revelation outside of human reason. That doesn’t mean that divine revelation isn’t reasonable. It just means that we can’t start with ourselves and get to truth. Our minds are not enough for this task.

So, how can we avoid the bankruptcy of reason and, at the same time, enter into a rational relationship with a reasoning God?

Let me offer some suggestions. These are only suggestions since working out a full epistemology is a very difficult task, perhaps as difficult as trying to shift from a predominately Greek-based Western view to this Hebraic, Eastern model.

First, knowledge begins with revelation. This is an a priori (assumed) commitment. There is no apology here. This seems to be the position of the entire Bible. There is no effort to prove God exists, no effort to show His truth is the truth, no attempt to justify His claims against competing philosophical positions. The Bible simply begins with God.

Of course, the implications of this beginning are powerful. God knows. We don’t. God sees the whole picture. We only see a tiny, tiny part. God is doing something we can barely understand. And, most importantly, what we do know, He must tell us. That doesn’t mean we can’t discover all sorts of things. We can discover His universe, how it works, how to do all kinds of things in it. The Bible actually shows very little interest in all this. It is about bigger questions. Not bigger science questions like the Big Bang, but bigger life-transforming questions like God’s relationship to me. In this regard, the Bible is fundamentally a relationship story, not a textbook on science or a Boy Scout manual of rule behavior. The Bible is a story about God hunting us down through a means that only He really understands. It isn’t a universal storybook. It’s a book about God’s deliberate interaction with a particular people, Israel, and God’s plan for this particular people to become an instrument to reach others. If we forget this specificity and particularity, we distort the Book.

Second, all Biblical texts depend on human situations. They come culturally loaded. Yeshua is a Jew. Abraham comes from Ur. David deals with 10th century BC politics. The Bible is clothed in human form. That means God decided to reveal Himself within the context of time, place, culture, ethnicity and language. We can’t understand who we are and what He is doing if we ignore this particularity. So, since God chose to do it this way, we need to work at seeing Him through the eyes of those who wrote His story – not through the eyes of contemporary readers of His story. The Bible is not a contemporary book. It is ancient literature and must be understood from an ancient perspective. How we get to this ancient point of view is the process of exegesis (see Walter Kaiser’s work). When we convert biblical passages into universal principles or theology, we necessarily distort the meaning. Sometimes the text itself warrants this (“for God so loved the cosmos”) but often Christians are influenced by Greek-based epistemology to look for universal applications that simply do not exist within the text itself. God is the God of Israel, not the God of Athens.

Third, there is a reason why Judaism does not have a history of systematic theology but Christianity does. The whole project of systematic theology is based in the Greek epistemology of reasoning my way to the truth. Systematic theology is an attempt to fit the biblical story into pre-conceived, compartmentalized boxes. In other words, it’s an attempt to push an Eastern, Hebraic, culturally and temporally located community into Western, rationally conceived pigeon-holes. It just doesn’t fit. But that doesn’t stop Western Christianity from making it fit. On the other hand, Jews have recognized that the Bible is about a way of life, not about a way of thinking. So, the Jews concentrate on understanding how they are to live according to God’s instructions rather than how we are to conceive of God. Systematic theology is too often a subtle reflection of arrogance. Do we really think that we can categorize God? The Jewish approach is based in awe, reverence and an admission of incomprehensibility. The Westerner wants to know! The Easterner wants to live correctly.

Fourth, finally the Bible is about community, not about individual apprehension of God. It is not a private experience of God. It is a public, communal obedience, open to others, jointly acknowledged with consequences for all. It is not about gathering external evidence to prove “scientifically” something about God. It is the external involvement of followers in each other’s lives that becomes the witness of His purposes. Biblical apologetics is very rarely arguing for the truth. Think about how infrequently you find any persuasive arguments in the text. Biblical apologetics is based in Deuteronomy 28. Live like God asks and He will insure the results. Do what He says and others will come calling on Him. Of course, in the Greek world, it’s all about “proving” our rational beliefs. What do you think would happen if Christians actually lived according to God’s instructions and stopped trying to recruit people to the Church? What do you think would occur if every Christian was a walking, talking example of the fruit of the Spirit? Would we really need arguments?

The reason we examine Jewish exegetical principles, look at rabbinic literature and devour the etymologies is not to categorize, compartmentalize and convince. It is to live according to His instructions. Without that, everything is lost. There are two roads. One is the road toward rational, cognitive certainty. The West has followed this road for 2500 years. It’s a dead end. The West is hopelessly lost in cognitive insanity. The other road leads most of us into foreign geography. It is the road of revelation and obedience before understanding. It follows the story of God and His people, not His “church.” It has a lot of stop signs that seem quite strange. But it follows the King.

Which road are you on?

Subscribe
Notify of
24 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Mercedes Pascual

Dear Dr. Moen,

In the midst of my busyness with “church” things, I try to find time to read your articles as often and as much as I can. Your “Some Thoughts About Knowing” brings to mind the shift in “epistemology” that Francis Schaeffer wrote in one of this trilogy books, “The God Who Is There.” Mr. Schaeffer observed the shift in epistemology from a belief on the existence of God based on faith and not in the existence of God in the daily life of the believer — from absolute moral truths written in black and white to the God that I know is real because I experience His existence 24/7 in my life. I find this epistemology important in my calling as a pastor/teacher. I am like a sponge right now, trying to soak up on knowledge that I can apply to my church which consists of 30 something to over 90 year-old members. How do I make the message of Christ relevant to those who have embraced the absolute truth fifty years ago to those who believes truth is relative. As Millard Erickson notes in his book, “Postmodernizing the Faith,” about leading a deconstructed horse to water — Do I hide absolute moral truths and give the horse what it wants? Do I tell the deconstructed horse that tolerance is not rational? Do I deconstruct the water, e.g., use the same message but change the means of communicating the absolute truth? I find Leonard Sweet’s books on postmodern approach to leading the church also very helpful. Your article highlights the importance for pastors to recognize the need to see and to do something about the change in epistemology.

Blessings to you in His Name.

Mercedes

steve adams

I beleive in the concept of truth, That which agrees with final reality. The problems come in when one tries to define it. Without revalation there would be no source of absolute truth. Man cannot find truth without God. He is the truth. Of course this has to received in faith. It is all about what source you use to define the truth. As for me and my house, We will believe God and what He said in the Bible. So choose your source carefully, final reality awaits us all. I believe it is the same for all of us. We will all come before the judment seat of Christ and answer the question what is truth. Skip I enjoy your teachings very much because you have already made your decision that God is the source of truth and the Bible is your text book. Love Steve

Ismael Gonzalez Silva

Greetings!!!
What could happen if instead of talking that “this”is better than “that” we try to to put all these pieces in the place where it goes, and try to see one (echad) image. Every part in this universe is important, everyone. We must try to reconcile as Yeshua did. Of course, this is the hardest way and many, many people will reject it, but our God is ONE and the whole universe is one. Even in the word Universe we can see that is one UNI-verse. Let’s take the one road, the road that put every piece where it belongs. At the end, we will see how the Creator will do it, and then the one-image will be clear and finally established.
Shabbat Shalom

Michael

Hi Ismael,

I like your idea of one (echad) image.

BTW some time ago, you mentioned to me that Daniel C Matt was a noteworthy scholar.

And today Mercedes mentioned the “Deconstruction” of Jacques Derrida.

In The Essential Kabbala, Daniel Matt says that “traces of the Kabbalah can be found ‘in the fiction and poetry of Franz Kafka, Jorges Borges, and Walter Benjamin as well as in Derrida’s Deconstruction.”

I was never crazy about Derrida, but Kafka, Borges, and Benjamin were three of my favorites back in college many years ago.

But I always thought that Derrida’s insistence on the gap between the “word” and the “thing” was not without significance.

And the notion that the world is a Text makes even more sense to me now than it did in college.

I’ll leave this topic with a quote from Daniel Matt’s editor:

“the Oral Teaching (Torah she-be-al) which explains the Written Teaching (Torah she-bi-khetav) is the guide. The written Torah, the letter engraved in stone, serves as the unchanging point of departure for spiritual contemplation of revealed truth. The Oral Doctrine is like a Hammer that shatters the stone, freeing from the text the spiritual “sparks” that dwell within it.”

Ismael Gonzalez Silva

Michael, remember Steinsaltz words: the true Judaism theology is in Kabbalah. Not popular Kabbalah, but the knowledge of the sages.

Michael

Okay. Thanks Ismael!

I’ll check out Rabbi Steinsaltz words 🙂

Roy W Ludlow

Thank you, Skip. This has been very helpful to me. It, however, creates more challenges for me as I attempt and work on finishing the Masters program of “Thology Position Project.” I will persevere and attempt to be honest.

Drew

Shabbat Shalom,

Skip … this is an excellent synthesis …. to handle it so elegantly and with such brevity is remarkable.

You know as well brother that this Hebraic approach/paradigm is one that is returning via the Messianic Jewish movement. (I speak from experience) …. No it is not large … nor will it ever get very large it would appear. But it is real and it is here!

The bottom line is that the path as you declare is more than just a personal relationship with Yeshua. The path entails more than just running the race … it entails running the race by rules put in place by ELOHIM. First to get and maintain the relationship, the knowledge of the path and the rules on how to proceed were the Hebrews ….. whose purpose of course was to spread the blessings and presumably the path to all the nations.

Well …. it is coming back. The nations and church aren’t going to like it but the purpose of the Jews can not fail. The remnant will be upheld! Unless the required number of Yeshua’s brethren cry out “Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of Adonai” … He is not coming!

Skip understands the purpose of the Hebrews …. many of us do …. let us pray that the Hebrews will turn and fulfill their purpose in this plan!

And for us Gentiles …. let us start thinking and more importantly acting like Israelites. Maybe then we will drive the Jew to jealousy! 🙂

Nice job Skip!

Gayle

In the last couple of days, I have encountered the word ‘netzer’ a few times. I could not remember the precise meaning, but thought I’d seen it at TW. I did, however, remember that Netzer is a character in a Veggie Tales video! 🙂

The interesting thing is, a netzer has been known to show up as much as 1500 years after the tree appeared dead! We must continue to pray for the Jews to turn back to the God of their (our) fathers. Now that the Day of Atonement is upon us, I wonder what is happening in the unseen world . . .

Yolanda

Ah Drew, you just don’t see it yet. It is large and it is getting larger and larger by the hour. It will be so large it will change the reputation of YHVH! Yirmeyahu 23:7&8. Judah will see the fulfillment of the prayers they have prayed three times a day for thousands of years in this generation!

Rick

Really helpful stuff, Skip – the article (“Some thoughts on knowing”) and the application to Mercedes questions. It is helpful as a parent in reaching out to my 2 adult children. My greek approach in teaching and evangelizing my children over the years left them quite articulate and systematic as skeptics and cynics about God and truth. It was this painful realization (as well as a dissatisfaction with my relationship with God, period) that made me start questioning everything. And so, a couple of years ago, I began to search for the real God again – not the one that I constructed through hearing sermons, talking to Pastors, studying systematics and commentaries, reading books, etc. – but the one that had, many years ago, called me by name, healed my heart, and left me with this passion to serve Him and live for Him.
The church that I have attended for most of my Christian life is very conservative, and very intellectual. Though never directly spoken, it was clear that the “thinkers” were emulated. Knowing alot and being able to express it was equivalent with Christian maturity and Godliness. And so, truly believing that that was the way to love and serve God best, I studied hard, taught, debated, and grew knowledgeable about the Scriptures – how to defend them, how to explain them, and how to apply them. The older I got, the more I focused on comprehending and understanding (through systematic categorization) a substantially incomprehensible God. Many years and many miles on a somewhat fruitless trip.

I confess that it is difficult to unwind my greek thinking after 29 years as a Christian. Often as I read your daily work, I wrestle with the ambiguity. I think, “but if it isn’t clear, than how can I know? Or, “well that’s not logical”, or “that sounds awfully gnostic”, or something similar. But I am trusting God to lead, and I spend much more time listening, living, and loving now, then trying to optimize my thinking and thoughts about the Christian faith, how to live it, and how to bring people into it. Thanks for opening my eyes to “thinking like a Hebrew”. God has used your writings on this journey as an encouragement to me. Please pray that He may see fit to do so for my sons as well.

Kay Harvey

I just want to share how the Lord answered this for me many years ago when I first met Him and it still holds true until now. It is in John 7:15-18 and 14:26. The Holy Spirit is able to unveil to us the Mind of Christ and what He Himself really meant in His Word, even if it is not clear to us on the surface when we first read it. If we desire to know Him, His Spirit is given as the Teacher and interpreter. He said if we search for Him with our whole heart we will find Him. I have found it to be a life long process of watching Him open it up to me clearer as I go and I know that will continue till I see Him face to face, but He has never disappointed my longing to understand what He meant, and He can reveal what is not of Him.
I do know there is such a thing as a private personal life with Him which no one can steal as being false. His Holy Spirit comes in and seals us in Him individually to make us children of His and He relates personally with each of us in relationship which allows for the community of His Body to exist. Jesus went to individuals first, like the woman at the well and the blind man, and the man laying at the pool. The individual relationship was what He longed for from each one and encouraged private prayer where we go into our own closet and pray to Him and He would reveal Himself publically through us. I realize we need the whole Body to see the whole unfolding of Himself, but the Body needs the individual heart surrendered before Him willing to listen. I think the foundational question is, do we believe He is powerful enough to speak clearly to us and translate His mind by His Spirit to us individually and as His Body? Do we believe that the One who can perfectly discern spirits, can bring His discernment to us by His Spirit? If not, our relationship with Him and each other about Him, is a vain search through miles of information. It was His intent to be known intimately in us and through us, and He can make Himself clear to the heart that truly desires to know Him intimately at whatever point they are at right now, and increase their knowledge as they walk with Him. Eph. 1: 1-23
Blessings to all.
Kay

LaVaye-Ed Billings

Kay Harvey, Your comments were so very meaningful to me, and those in our household that have read them. May God continue to let you see His light. L.B.

Godwin

Skip,

You deserve some huge offering. This is worth a life-time of painless life knowing you are on the right track. I see a revolution on the way. Many are tired of where they are now as a result of embracing the convoluted Greek epistemology. It is time model the truth to the world and not just proclaim it.

Godwin

Drew

I do not think that Skip’s commentary was indivdually focused but rather community focused. I don’t think Skip was negating the validity or importance of our personal relationship with Yeshua … Skip was attempting to address a broader picture! 🙂

I think it is virtually impossible for our Western culture … Christianity …. to grasp the fundamental concept of l’dor vador …. generation to generation … which is so basic to the Hebrews …. so basic to the Hebraic roots of our faith.

We are to be a pecuiliar “people” …. not peculiar persons. A people set aside …. not individuals set aside. We Westerners personalize “religion” and forget that yes we have a personal relationship with Yeshua but that it is about Yisrael …. all of Yisrael. Instead the Greek mind-set weaves religion around, on top of and in some cases tries to put it into our secular culture …. for Israel it is supposed to be different.

“Echad” is such an important concept within Hebraic thought and it is pretty obvious that Christianity has zero clue as to what “Echad” means for Israel! There can not be 36,000 versions of denominational truth with Ruach HaKodesh being responsible for each version. If such is the case then ELOHIM is untruthful and we are all without hope. Yet all denominations will claim without doubt that they have a “knowing spiritual guidance” … won’t they?

Yes we need a personal relationship with Yeshua (Ahmein), yes we need to put on all of our armor …. but we don’t fight wars alone! Our relationship with Yeshua also must entail faith in the promises that have been made by HIM. Promises that HIS purposes will be achieved. And HIS purposes call for a framework (order) around our relationships with each other. This framework (and it does not matter if we like it or not) calls for temporal Israel (the remnant) to be the head and not the tail. And we can’t say that this was revoked because they failed …. the covenant is eternal. (Please let us have no replacement theology)!

So for instance if The Body Of Mashiach had to go to battle … what would happen? Would all Christian denominations unite? Under whose banner would we march? What would our camp look like? How do we even consider organizing? … Now of course our battle is not of flesh … but there is a battle taking place is there not? The powers and principalities have no organizational problems at all it seems. What about The Body Of Mashiach? Where is the head … the arms … etc.

In the end how can we possibly serve HIS purposes correctly if we can’t understand what the purpose is, who the players are, what the roles are and what are the ground rules. Is this not why all things crumble apart in these last days?

Ultimately individual spiritual discernment (guidance by Ruach HaKodesh) is not the same as interpretation of The Word … nor is it the framework by which ELOHIM set up Yisrael HIS people …. HIS nation …. HIS treasure. Just look to the encampment model and we can see “order” …. “organization” …. “authority” …. “roles” …. and so forth. If we as individuals believe that an established order has been done away with then we are sadly mistaken!

Yisrael is being restored in these end days and we will not look like the Christian church of the last 1,800 years. Look for the restoration of the remnant because ELOHIM is ever faithful. Look for ELOHIM’s promises not in the way we want to interpret them but in the way these promises have been made. 🙂

Shalom

Christina

Honestly I can’t write a lot in English, but I just want to let you know that I’m fully in agreement with you Skip and all the comments above.Let us dig deeper and deeper to our Hebraic Roots !! Yeshua blesses you all

Yolanda

“Echad” Yes, It is happening right now. The foundation is being laid. Don’t blink. We will be one!