Historical Assumptions

“But we desire to hear from you what your views are; for concerning this sect, it is known to us that it is spoken against everywhere.” Acts 28:22

Sect – Paul arrives in Rome.  He is under house arrest.  He calls the Jewish elders to meet with him.  They come, anticipating dialogue.  They want to know what Paul’s thinking is on the matter of the Messiah.  But unless we read the Greek passage here, we will miss an important assumption.  The Greek word translated “sect” is the word hairesis, the same word that is the basis of our word “heresy.”  Notice what this implies.  Hairesis is a form of religious worship not aligned with the truth.  It is contrasted with the Greek word schismaSchisma is tearing apart.  It is a complete break, a separation.  But hairesis is a matter of differing opinion or interpretation.  A “heretic” can maintain divergent views and still remain part of the body, but one described as schisma cannot.

Why is this differentiation important?  Because it tells us that the Jews did not consider Paul’s beliefs a break from orthodoxy. They considered Paul’s beliefs a difference of opinion.  So they came to find out why Paul believed his interpretation of Scripture was the correct one.  In other words, the Jews did not consider Paul a member of a separate religion called “Christianity.”  Paul was still within the Jewish camp.  He was just a potential heretic – a dissenter with a different view on things.  If the Jews had been convinced that Paul was a convert to another religion, they would have described his beliefs as schisma.  In fact, they probably would not have come to speak with him.

If you read the rest of this story, nearly the last event recorded in Acts, you will discover that Paul attempts to convince these Jewish elders that his interpretation is the correct one and he bases his argument on two things:  The Tanakh (the Law and the Prophets) and his steadfast claim that he “did nothing contrary to the people or the ancestral customs.”  In other words, Paul claims Torah obedience and bases his interpretation of the role of Yeshua on the same – Torah.

We learn two important lessons from Paul’s encounter with the Jewish elders.  First, we learn that a difference of opinion does not exclude us from the Body of believers.  It is perfectly appropriate to think otherwise.  In fact, it is essential if our dialogue is going to produce growth.  Of course, there will be arguments, but arguments are good because they lead to deeper understanding.  No one is excluded on the basis of hairesis.  They are only excluded when they initiate complete separation.  The question we must ask is this:  Who have I excluded simply because we had a difference of opinion?

The second lesson is perhaps an even bigger one.  Jewish elders did not reject Paul  simply because He claimed Yeshua was the Messiah.  They went to investigate.  In fact, Acts tells us that some were convinced Paul was correct.  As Christians, do we act the same way toward our Jewish brothers and sisters?  Have we investigated?  Are we willing to go to them and ask?  Or have we removed ourselves because we are right?

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Vern

2nd Paragraph, 2nd to last sentence. I assume it is a typo where it reads, “…they would have described his beliefs…” . Shouldn’t it be “They would NOT have…” ?

Pam

“As Christians, do we act the same way toward our Jewish brothers and sisters? Have we investigated? Are we willing to go to them and ask? Or have we removed ourselves because we are right?”

Good point skip. We must also take this to heart with the Church. Our opinion concerning Torah being valid for us today isn’t welcome in most Church circles. However we (Ron & myself) continue to pursue peace with our brothers and sisters who don’t agree.

It isn’t biblical to forsake fellowship with them just because we see something they don’t. And yet even this has caused a huge schism in the body. Let us not in this community perpetuate this wickedness.

Michael stanley

Pam, I’m fairly  new to this forum, as well as to the study of the Hebraic thought and mind set through language, but I couldn’t help but being offended by your remarks. Wickedness? Really? For telling the truth to lawbreakers regarding the Torah I’m counted as wicked? G*D forbid. I understand that the issue that we Gentiles be Torah observant is a controversy from old and even Shaul   and the first church council in Jerusalem had to deal  with extensively and intensely. But he did and they did and there is NO question as to his or their position, nor by the Scriptures, both Old and Re-newed. (and without the need to say: YHWH Himself). If there is doubt in this matter, it is in you, but it is not in the facts. How you and your husband ( and others) deal with it is up to you, but to justify your NOT dealing with it by claiming all who stand with Shaul’s teaching and The Scriptures are somehow wicked or by implication less loving or less compassionate is unscriptural, unfair and untrue.
I can, and do, empathize with your concern  and compassion for those who have yet to obey fully YHWH and His commandments. But how long shall we straddle the fence? 
I Kings 18:21…”How long halt ye between two opinions”? 
How long should we turn our eyes from their willful ignorance. 
Psalm 82:2 “How long will ye judge unjustly and accept the persons of the wicked?” 
Should we enter into their lawlessness  because they refuse to bow to His right rulings, commandments, statutes and decrees? 
 1 Corinthians 15:33 Don’t be deceived! “Evil companionships corrupt good morals.”
Where does it say we should tolerate THEIR wickedness in lawlessness?
Proverbs 28:4 They that forsake the Law praise the wicked, but such as keep the Law contend (strive) with them.” 

In Luke 19 there is the parable of the talents, but in that  parable is another story line and lesson which behooves us to consider in light of this issue. 
 Luke 19:12 He said therefore, “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Verse 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent an envoy after him, saying, ‘We don’t want this man to reign over us. 
Verse 15 “It happened when he had come back again, having received the kingdom, …
Verse 27 But bring those enemies of mine who didn’t want me to reign over them here, and kill them before me.'”
(HNV)

He that hath ears let him hear. 

Finally, Come out of her, my people. 
 Revelation 22:11 He who acts unjustly, let him act unjustly still. He who is filthy, let him be filthy still. He who is righteous, let him do righteousness still. He who is holy, let him be holy still.”
22:14 Blessed are those who do his mitzvot, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Pam

Shalom Michael,

Welcome to this forum. It continues to be the only blog we’ve ever participated in. This is a community of very thoughtful and educated lovers of Messiah. And welcome to the commonwealth of Israel called Torah.

I’m sorry for the poor communication. Also for the delayed response. We live off grid so internet is tricky for us.

About 20 years ago, we were convicted through reading scripture that we needed to keep Shabbat. Some time later we met a group of Messianics in our city and began studying with them. This got us kicked out of our church of which Ron was associate pastor. YHVH was gracious to bring us by way of the wilderness toward the Red Sea and not through the land of the Philistines. He would have lost heart had we seen the war between the Messianics that was brewing and it would have ruined us. It took many years for Ron to recover from the hurt.

Instead we ended up ministering for many years in a place where we received an unimaginable education in Reformed doctrine and Church (3rd century forward) history.

Having spent many years studying 1st century church we had lots of questions on how things went from this to that which kept us in the position of the redhead stepchild our entire stay there.

We now are in the process of learning how things went from this to that thanks to this website and other resources.

This mornings TW really hit home for me, albeit probably not the way it was intended by our teacher, in that we bear the sins of those who sin against us as we endure injury by others for the sake of love.

Skip articulated my heart well in his response to you. We have sufficiently recovered from the shock and hurt and now pursue those who love Jesus in Spirit but lack the truth. We do this because we honestly love them and hope to see them come to the knowledge of the truth.

There are many Messianics who won’t darken the door of any church or befriend a Sunday keeper. In our opinion this is arrogant and wicked. Most of them came from just such a background. They apparently have not made it past the hurt. We actually find it more difficult to be with these folks yet we pursue them none the less. In these circle we also remain the redhead stepchild but have learned how to engage in conflict without causing schism.

As you travel through your new understanding of Torah obedience you will encounter several opinions of a concept called the “Two House” teaching. We take part in it by breaking down the wall of division between the Messianics and the Church. We don’t have a “church”. None will have us!

Shalom Shalom

Michael

“If the Jews had been convinced that Paul was a convert to another religion, they would have described his beliefs as schisma. In fact, they probably would not have come to speak with him.”

– Hairesis is a matter of differing opinion

– Schisma is tearing apart

Hairesis is opinion (OK) and Schisma is tear (Not OK)

Jews like to argue, so they came to argue with Paul, the Heretic

If the Jews thought Paul was going to tear up their text (Not OK), they would not have come

I don’t see the issue here?

Michael

“There is no indication here that the Jews thought Paul left Judaism. So, where did that theological view come from? Not from Judaism.”

Hi Skip,

That’s a good question.

If Jesus didn’t reject Judaism for Christianity.

And Paul didn’t reject Judaism for Christianity.

Why would anybody reject Judaism for Christianity?

My guess is that in the 4th century a certain group of people in power wanted a “universal” religion.

And Yahweh God was the Jewish God.

So they redesigned the narrative.

And rejected the Jewish roots.

Glory

This was a great reminder for me today. There are sooooo many differing opinions among believers. It is hard to not get caught up in all we do NOT agree upon. This has to be one of the enemy’s biggest weapons. When I hear a brother in the Lord speak against Torah observance, it hurts something deep inside of me. It is hard to not then be offended at that person. I used to be that person who didn’t understand Torah. I was so “free” in the Lord, that anyone who spoke of the “law” threatened my experience. Then I came to the end of that rope and kept searching for Him.

I really want to be a person that draws people to the Lord, not pokes at all the differences in belief. However, I can’t deny the truth either. I need to be able to do both…like Paul…..like Yeshua.

carl roberts

“Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For His sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ. (Philippians 3.8)
Interesting opinion, Paul. And all this time I thought these words were inspired by G-d. So, what’s your opinion? Hey- everybody has one- and if you don’t.. well- I’ll give you mine! And you are? What was your name again? Who is your teacher?
May I try this again? How about this time we look to the Book? How about a return to the word(s) of G-d? How about we start saying- what do the scriptures say? -Common ‘taters’, the stores and shelves are full of them, worth about 10¢ a dozen..

Luzette

Skip, thank you for the past week TW’s. I learned so much about discipleship. Under the protection of God, loving your enemy until he/she becomes your brother/sister without having to agree on everything.
And yes, in the past, I definitely have removed myself from others. Mainly to stop me from disagreeing with everyone or having to bite my lip all the time. Most people feel offended if you disagree with them(all the time).
But for the past few weeks I have been out there in the practice field(neighborhood parties, bible study groups), and yes, I saw no signs of improvement or even just a little movement. First I just cried, for it hurts seeing your friends wasting away there lives. ( And of course then I got mad. Good thing I did not have a sword for I felt like cutting off ears.) At least now I know better – I still need to draw them even closer. And go to war with a blessing for each – I’ll be serving tea and red velvet cake.

carl roberts

I have an opinion, so do you,- but, does G-d have an opinion?

“Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one.” (2 Corinthians 11.24)

Apparently, somebody with some authority didn’t care for the opinion of Paul or like what he was presenting and proclaiming very much.. You and I may disagree, but a whipping of this magnitude? –
What was that all about?

carl roberts

“None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.” (1 Corinthians 2.8)

robert lafoy

This reminds me of this portion of scripture,

how interesting that it goes on to deal with the issue of being “under” the law and what that means in todays congregation. How far have we gone in the opposite direction!!?

Gal 4:16 so that your enemy have I become, being true to you?

they are zealous for you — [yet] not well, but they wish to shut us out, that for them ye may be zealous;

and [it is] good to be zealously regarded, in what is good, at all times, and not only in my being present with you;

my little children, of whom again I travail in birth, till Christ may be formed in you,

I’ve been looking at the concept of the 2nd day in that it a day of folding. One of the aspects of it is that it looks like the original thing only the “substance” is different or oppisite. (mirror image, left is right and right is left) This is one of those issues that seem to fit that description. Jesus said that the deceit would be so great that even the elevt would be decieved, were it possible.

A.W. Bowman

The history of the Western Church has been of interest to me since the mid 1970’s, when I discovered that Christianity was not a ‘new’ or ‘different’ religion from Judaism, but was rather the natural progression of Judaism, as promised by God in the writings of Jeremiah.

Like the scriptures themselves, one cannot study simply on aspect of church history and not consider all of the rest, i.e. historic (physical, events), cultural (social, customs), religious (spiritual, ritual practices), and the language (expression of world view) of the authors of the Scriptures and their intended audiences.

While I will follow the Hebrew Word Study blog and review the Hebrew Words for Prayer, I will be content to remain a ‘silent’ observer of the forum discussions until I have completed the last 15 days of the “Thirty Days of The Hebrew Worldview”, which, BWY, I find both interesting and informative.

Thank you Skip for this community.

Shalom Aleichem