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For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through Him.  John 3:17  NASB

Should be saved – Why did Yeshua come?  Most believers will say something like, “To save us from our sins,” or “To forgive us so we can go to heaven.”  Because we are preoccupied with our own guilt, we tend to read gospel statements about His purpose as if they are exclusively about us, but if we pay close attention to the words, we find another focus.  John, for example, points out that the cosmos is in need of deliverance, not just human beings.  Paul says effectively the same thing: “the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of child-birth together until now” (Romans 8:22).  While there is no question that Yeshua forgives human beings, even His own declaration about purpose does not include this fact.  In conversation with Pilate, He replied, “You say correctly that I am a king.  For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth” (John 18:37).  Not a word about forgiveness, sin or guilt.  Rather, a bold statement about ushering in the Kingdom on earth.  Perhaps we are simply sin-myopic.  We see it everywhere so it overtakes our appreciation of the much bigger picture, that is, all creation needs salvation.

If we realize that atonement is not “at-one-ment” with God for us, but rather the removal of defilement that prevents the presence of God among His creation, then we may perhaps see that the purpose of the incarnation was not to provide us access to the Father.  That was already in place from the time of Adam, and, in fact, was a consistent experience of men and women since the time of Adam.  Human beings were not barred from God because of sin.  Forgiveness was available since before the foundation.  But God’s presence in and throughout the earth  was barred because of the consequences of disobedience, both human and angelic.  In other words, the God of life did not enjoy full presence in His creation because the creation contained the presence of death, the penalty for disobedience.  Atonement was required to wipe away this defilement in order that God and His creation, all of His creation, could be joined again in perfect harmony.  Back to the Garden, my friends, back to the Garden.

Now, if atonement is the wiping away of what defiles so that God and creation are reunited, then Yeshua’s death takes on cosmic proportions.  Through death, God conquers death and as a result, the defilement of death is removed from all creation.  God Himself executes the plan of full redemption.  That plan includes us, of course, but we are not the single focus of this monumental victory.  We may have been the cause (perhaps), but we are not the only players in this game.  You will recall that the pollution of sin once before affected the entire earth and it was necessary for God to even wipe away the vegetation in the Flood.  Why?  Do plants sin?  While plants have no moral consciousness, they are apparently subject to the corruption brought about by the sins of men.  The earth itself is caught up in the abomination of disobedience.  So the Flood comes to clean even the earth.  Temporarily.  Death still remained and until death was removed, the entire cosmos was defiled.  The permanent  solution to removing this defilement was the cross and the resurrection.

So atonement cleans.  It cleans the place that has been defiled so that God may enter and His presence become a reality.  Atonement washes away what prevents God’s presence.  And that must mean that atonement has to deal with death.

“That the world might be saved.”  Kosmos sothe – from the Greek verb sozo.  But here the verb is aorist, passive, subjunctive.  The saving action happens to the world.  The active agent is someone else – the Son.  And when it occurs (subjunctive), it is all over with – aorist – a completed action in the past.  The deliverance of the world doesn’t have to be repeated again and again.  Once this atonement is accomplished, nothing more needs to be done – ever.

That sounds like two other statements in the New Testament.  “It is accomplished,” (John 19:30) and “and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption” (Hebrews 9:12).

Topical Index:  atonement, defilement, world, sozo, cosmos, John 3:17

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Rein de Wit

How do I deal, in this regard, with Isa 53:4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains–he hath carried them, And we–we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace is on him, And by his bruise there is healing to us. ?

Dawn McL

If death is wiped away then why does death still happen? It can’t just be symbolic because Messiah really hung on that cross and died BUT he was resurrected. Jesus also brought Lazarus back from the dead but only Messiah was anointed by Y-H so only His resurrection would be special. We know scripture says He conquered death. So then, are we in a final waiting pattern till He returns and death is physically done away with?
Back to the Garden sounds wonderful to me!

Dorothy

In heaven the Tree of Life that was originally in Eden will be in there, Rev. 22: 2, 3

What makes heaven heaven, anywhere, is being in the eternal presence of God.
Walking and talking with Him.

Richard Wurmbrand, Tortured for Christ, said when he was kept in the utter darkness of the dungeons, that sometimes the walls glowed like bright, beautiful jewels, and peace was as air.
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HSB

Dorothy: I believe the tree of life will be on earth in the New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven (Rev 21:2) I think our destiny involves living in a renewed earth not heaven. That is why our hope is in the resurrection. In my opinion we don’t “go to heaven when we die” or “spend eternity” there, rather we await the resurrection for new bodies to possess a redeemed earth. That is my take. Paul says in Thessalonians to encourage one another with these words (about the resurrection) yet they are sadly missing in many/most Christians funerals these day…rather the emphasis is on the deceased enjoying heaven, free of earth’s problems…sounds Greek to me!

Dorothy

When we get right down to it, isn’t JESUS the Tree of Life and also the River of Life?

Jesus is certainly restoring that which was lost (Luke 19:10).
Tree of Life is mentioned 7X in OT (revealing God’s perfect work)
and 3X in NT (revealing God’s perfect being)

Those who know Christ can offer the fruit of the Tree today in witness, and pray the Spirit will work and bring eternal life to whosoever will take of it.

I also believe it is a literal Tree in the New Jeru as you say, Rev. 22: 2 the fruit is abundant, unfailing, healing; all of which describe JESUS

HSB

amen!! Jesus said He was the vine, His disciples are the branches/twigs, and the fruit is of the Holy Spirit (as outlined by Paul in Galatians) Sometimes I wonder why some folks spend so much time arguing over the organization of the plant and don’t spend as much time “enjoying the fruit”. Come to think of it fruit is both a blessing for nourishing our bodies and keeping them healthy; it is also the God-ordained mechanism used by Nature to reproduce after its kind, which is what the kingdom is about. 🙂

robert lafoy

Hi Dorothy and HSB,

Something to consider in light of scripture,
In Gen. 1:6-8 it says that God created an expanse and then divided between that expanse by waters over and under it. Then He called that expanse heaven(s). The funny thing is, if you read vs. 20 it says that birds fly “over” the earth, “over” face expanse (of) the heaven(s).

That would place the “expanse of heaven” under the flying birds (the earth). I think you both got it right!! 🙂 Shamiym, or heaven(s) is more about authority than about a place, or maybe better put, The place where authority exists is secondary to the authority itself.

YHWH bless you and keep you……..

Nancy Spencer

One of many reasons Jesus came was “to reveal the Father.” John and Jesus say that no one has seen the Father nor heard his voice at any time. However, Moses (and others) did hear God’s voice, and did see part of his being (his back). I’m not sure that the Father was accessible from the time of Adam (‘s sin). Perhaps the God of the OT was in fact Yeshua Himself. ns

Dorothy

“He was numbered with the transgressors.”- Isaiah 53:12
That’s us, folks! Not a vegetable, not a star, not a garden snail, or a kitty cat.
Matter (atoms) did nothing to ruin all this, Adam did.

And who can ever be afraid of One who is on the same list as us? And who can be ungrateful for His salvation that they would not proclaim it, freely and pure, to others far and wide?

A Friend of Sinners:
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0458.htm

No, we (all) were lost and undone without Jesus — *God’s Son — and headed to Hell.
BUT, what a difference Jesus makes!

* God’s ONLY BEGOTTON SON, not just another of, Job 1: 6