What Must You Believe?

I recently received a pamphlet outlining the meaning of the new birth.  Part of the material included a topic “Five things that must be believed in order for one to be born into the Kingdom of heaven by the Spirit of Yahuweh.”  Those five things included:

1.  The Scripture is the word of Almighty Elohim, written as set-apart people of old were moved by the Ruach ha Kodesh (the Holy Spirit) – to be studied, believed and obeyed.

2.  The Virgin Birth.  The pure, sinless blood of Yahushua came from the Father in heaven.

3.  Yahushua was, is and will ever-be the eternal, Almighty Elohim, who came in the flesh for our redemption.

4.  His substitutionary death on the stake paid the punishment required by the Father’s justice, thus justifying all who receive His payment for our sin.

5.  His resurrection gave us eternal life, sealing to us the “justification” purchased by His death.

While these statement incorporate language of the “Hebrew roots” movement, I am afraid that their substance still relies on doctrinal positions of classical Christian thought.  On closer examination, it seems to me that these typical assertions are not only not necessary, they are perhaps even not Scripturally supported.  Let’s examine these claims.

1.  Is it really necessary to believe that Scripture is the word of God?  This statement makes a lot of assumptions that are not articulated or defended.  First, we must ask what it means to “believe” this to be true.  Does this mean that I cognitively assent to the statement as a correct description of reality?  If that’s what I mean, how would I know this?  Am I in a position to assert that every statement (historical or theological) in the Bible is an accurate reflection of what it purports to say?  What do I do about the obvious redaction of many texts?  What do I do about just the examples in Matthew alone where the author deliberately manipulates references in the Tanakh to fit his agenda?  What about significant differences in the history record in Scripture itself?  Furthermore, if this statement is taken at face value, then I must ask “What Scripture?”  Is the statement about the Tanakh, the Catholic Bible, the Protestant abridged version of the Catholic Bible?  How could this statement have been true for Abraham?  Or even for Yeshua?  At the time of Yeshua’s ministry, even the canon of the Tanakh was not fixed.  What Scriptures are we really talking about?  Is canonization the equivalent of believing “Scripture is the word of God?”  If so, what do we say about all those faithful who lived before the Scriptures existed?  And finally, does this statement imply that unless I believe in the same canon that you hold as true, I cannot be in fellowship with God?

2.  The virgin birth is even more controversial.  As a doctrine of the Church, it may be essential (for reasons that hopefully are not merely theological).  But as a requirement for fellowship with YHWH, this seems entirely ridiculous.  Certainly Abraham had fellowship with YHWH, and certainly Abraham did not believe in the virgin birth.  Neither did Samuel, David, Solomon, Amos, Hosea or a host of others.  In fact, the idea does not become a part of the community of followers until after Matthew and Luke make a point of the prophecy from Isaiah.  So, if this statement means that today, since the writing of the gospels, it is necessary to believe in the virgin birth, this is merely a repetition of the first claim since the source of information concerning the virgin birth is found in Scripture.  If I am not required to believe the first claim, then I can hardly be expected to believe the second.  Now, if I want to be a faithful follower of the conservative Christian tradition, then I will have to confront this doctrinal statement.  But the point is that it certainly wasn’t necessary for fellowship with YHWH prior to Mary’s submission and so it cannot be held as essential to fellowship.  Furthermore, the claim that the “pure, sinless blood of Yahushua” comes from the virgin birth is a tangled nightmare to theological thinking.  It implies that there is something wrong with ordinary blood (that sin is transmitted by ordinary conception).  This is Augustine’s claim and is directly responsible for the idea of “sinful nature.”  Does Yeshua arrive with “sinless blood” or is His sinlessness a result of obedience?  If He enters the world with sinless blood, is He the same as us?  And does sinless blood guarantee He will be the acceptable sinless sacrifice?  Most of these ideas come right from the early Church fathers, via Plato, and lead to such interesting theological gyrations as Mary’s immaculate conception and the claim that sin is transmitted through sex.  I can find no Scriptural justification of any of this.

3.  The incarnation is clearly a central tenant of our faith.  But how precisely Yeshua is YHWH is an issue, especially for those who embrace an Hebraic worldview.  This leads us to the doctrine of the Trinity, formulated in Greek philosophical categories nearly 400 years after the last writings of the New Testament.  What is implied in this third requirement should not take us to a doctrine that would be unrecognizable by any Jew in the first century.  There is no doubt that hundreds of first century Jews believed that Yeshua was divine, but how that occurs is not clear – and the doctrine of the Trinity doesn’t make it any clearer.

4.  Substitutionary atonement is a clear concept in the Tanakh, but substitutionary atonement “on the stake” is nowhere to be found.  In fact, Leon Morris, a world-recognized Greek scholar of the New Testament, can say, “for a cross has no place in the sacrificial system, and stands only for a particularly unpleasant death.”[1]  Furthermore, even the New Testament recognizes that the substitutionary atonement took place “before the foundations of the world.”  The claim here is certainly typical of the Christian faith, but it hardly finds any justification in Hebrew thought.  In addition, we will have some difficulty with the claim that Yeshua’s death “paid the punishment required by the Father’s justice.”  I am not sure that “justice” is the right context for substitutionary atonement.  Mishpat (justice) is about the entire operation of the government of God.  Disobedience results in punishment and punishment can be meted out in many different ways.  Consequently, justice is served when restitution is made, when offerings are given, then rituals are performed, all according to the Tanakh.  Substitutionary atonement is only one of the many ways of securing restoration of fellowship.  There are clearly several other ways to deal with the broader category of sin.  Here what must be in mind is the fact that the Levitical system provides no sacrifice for deliberate sins.  Therefore, the claim is often made that Yeshua’s death covers deliberate sins.  But this leads to other problems with Scriptural claims, for example, Micah recounts God’s own words about what is required in order to restore fellowship, and there is no mention of a substitutionary death among the three things Micah reveals (cf. Micah 6:8).  Furthermore, Isaiah speaks on God’s behalf (Isaiah 40:2) claiming that iniquity is removed because the people have suffered twice over.  Again, there is no concept of substitutionary atonement present here.  The suffering of the people is the atonement.  Does the substitutionary death of Yeshua affect forgiveness?  Yes, but exactly how that is accomplished isn’t quite so clear.  The claim that it is the only way forgiveness is accomplished seems to ignore a significant portion of Scripture.

5.  Since we have raised some question about the claim above (number 4), this claim follows the same line of inquiry.  Are we really certain that His resurrection “gave us eternal life”?  Certainly the resurrection is the basis of the claim of authority given to the Son, and it is the guarantee of the “first fruits.”  But does the resurrection “give us” eternal life?  Is eternal life a possession that we have been given like a gift under the Christmas tree?  What does it mean for Yeshua to say “Life is in the Son” if His resurrection grants us some kind of spiritual possession?  There is no doubt that the resurrection is crucial.  Paul tells us that if it had not happened our faith is in vain.  But what exactly did it accomplish?  What is the purpose of the resurrection?  If forgiveness is accomplished in the death of the Messiah, then why would we claim eternal life requires the resurrection?

Questions, questions, questions.  Perhaps what we must learn is that simple declarations commonly held by Christian believers, even those who now find solace in the Messianic movements, are not quite so simple after all.  Far too often they are loaded with theological and philosophical implications that even the speaker may not recognize.  They are so much a part of our own paradigm that we don’t even question them.   But maybe we should, not because they are “wrong” but because we often don’t know why they are “right.”

 


[1] Morris, Apostolic Preaching, p. 119.

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Marcus Penberthy

On top of this I have recently been questioning the passage that all christians seem to use to bring people into “faith”!! John 3 v16, was given to Nicodemus,a rabbi, before the cross, but this is quoted as being available after the cross. Is Yeshua giving Nicodemus a future event to have faith in? Are we to do the same with the atonement, that will be fulfilled on the day of atonement? so many questions and they seem to lead to more!!!!

Charlene Ferguson

Wow Skip, I sure hate it sometimes when you write something that forces me to really think about and question what I would have never questioned before! Thank you and please DON’T stop!

Lesli Moser

I want so badly to understand this!!!! Is there any way to dumb it down without “dumbing it down”? It takes me several HOURS to try and wrap my head around what you write……and then the day is I’ve rand I have another “Skip Daily” to try and digest! This is epic. This is foundational. (for me)

Lesli Moser

*day is over and

Jaco Olivier

Yesterday I had a thought that I would love to see this community actually study and discuss some of the theologies and believes that have become quite common within the broader “Hebrew Roots/Messianic Judaism” movement. Theologies such as the Two House/Ephraimite theology, Divine Invitation, the One Law variants, Bilateral Eschatology, etc. Maybe also some of the claims made by some teachers with regards to the end times, the nature of G-d, Yeshua, the Holy Spirit, etc. The “movement” (if one can call it that) is very diverse with some very interesting and just some plain strange theologies and ideas.

I believe that what has been happening in the past thirty or so years is definitely God’s work, but that also doesn’t mean that just because people use the Hebrew Names or slap the title “Messianic/Hebrew” unto a theology or believe that it is actually a valid, good or sound theology or believe. (As this post clearly shows) It would be really great if we (through Skip of-course) can maybe look at some of the different “Messianic/Hebrew Roots” theologies and believes out there and test their validity.

Mary

But is it truly about figuring it all out? Surely most of us “reforming” Christians were taught “correct” doctrine… but were we? That, it seems to me, is THE initial question.
Apparently, unless we are willing, once again, to be born “again” of the Spirit, we will continue in our trepasses and sins, sins we were basically taught to commit. And now, at least in the once great state of NC, the proprosal to institute Christianity as the state religion, sounds like evil coming to roost too close to home! I can see where exploration of Hebrew roots may then become criminal!! YIKES!
YHWH help us to learn of You and Your Way, and to be very courageous, for man’s ways are bringing death and certain destruction!

Pam

There are many of us out there who brushed through the Messianic movement in the late 80’s and early 90’s who have been studying these exact things independently and have found some amazing stuff but have been keeping it all to ourselves because we can’t find anything like it anywhere else and we don’t want to cause any more damage than is already out there.

Your research on the ezer kenegdo was what pulled me (first) into this community when I came to that portion of “30 Days Of Hebrew World View”. My husband and I developed that kind of relationship years ago but were unable to use ourselves as examples in “Christian” marriage counseling because our life doesn’t fit the “Christian model”.

What keeps me here is (what I perceive to be) the goal of communities reason for studying. I posted this on a different site a few days ago.

“I’ve learned that your goal for learning something makes a difference. When the goal is application for the communities benefit, interaction with even the newest student brings out questions that can’t be imagined by any one person. It forces everyone to go beyond themselves and consider a broader spectrum of possibility. When everyone’s input is truly valued and everyone’s goal is to apply their gifts to benefit the others in the community then the entire community benefits and the individual is satisfied.”

I’ve been thinking about this ever since. I love that you teach by discovery through questions.

Pam

🙂

Michael and Arnella Stanley

No offense intended, but I strongly disagree with Jaco that “we” as a community “look at some of the different “Messianic/Hebrew Roots” theologies and believes out there and test their validity”. When the very foundations of “our faith” are found to be faulty and are crumbling, the immediate and primary need is to address that and not the upper floors of the structure which has been built upon it-in this case “the Theologies such as the Two House/Ephraimite theology, Divine Invitation, the One Law variants, Bilateral Eschatology”. Why add pretty frosting and decorations on a cake whose primary ingredient is not flour, but dung? The frosting won’t really change the cake’s taste, but will only keep people busy adding layer after layer of sugary confection on that which is …well, crap. It may look pretty and win awards for cake decoration, but in the end the proof of the cake is in the eating the cake and not just the frosting. To take the road oft traveled and dissect the Hebrew roots movement is to take away from the one task that Skip does-and does well (and in my opinion singularly). There are plenty of teachers and discussion groups that do what Jaco requests, but few who are able and none who are bold enough to dare go where Skip goes and challenges us to examine our faulty foundations and help us to repair the breaches in the wall and replace the crumbling stones of our theology. To all those who want sugar, fluff and frosting-I say “let them eat cake”. Michael

Jaco Olivier

Hi Michael,
Unfortunately, we’ll have to disagree on a few levels. Firstly, you say that theologies like “Two Household/Ephraimite, Divine Invitation, Bilateral Eschatology, etc.” are the frosting and decoration of the Hebrew Roots (HR)/Messianic cake. I completely disagree. I believe these theologies are actually the very foundation on which many HR/Messianic ministries are built. These kinds of theologies, and the one any person subscribe to (knowingly or unknowingly), determines how you read the Bible, how you align yourself with God’s chosen people, it determines how you interpret the Torah and how you will go about applying the Torah to your daily life (the most important one), to name but a few things that are affected by these theologies. So, it is important that people know what these theologies actually teach and whether they are valid scriptural interpretations or not. It is important, because all HR/Messianic teachers subscribe to these theologies in various degrees and it affects every teaching they teach. To say these theologies are the frosting of the HR/Messianic cake, is like saying Replacement theology is the frosting of the Christian Church’s cake. We (people who interact within the HR/Messianic community at large) need to be able to discern whether the food we receive from teachers and ministries within this movement are actually good food.

Secondly, you said “[t]here are plenty of teachers…that do what Jaco requests.” I also disagree with this. There are many teachers, ministries and discussion groups within the messianic movement, but my experience is that most try and promote their preferred theology above the rest. And where they actually discuss another HR/Messianic theology, it is in the context to discredit that theology in order to promote the one they subscribe to. I haven’t come across anyone who objectively (as difficult as that is) looks at all the theologies across the board and test their validity. I believe Skip would be perfect for that and something lacking within this movement.

I agree with you that the most amazing part of this community is that we look at the very foundation of our faith and try and restore that, especially in terms of how it applies to standard Christian doctrine. But, as Skip said (and I agree with him), most HR/Messianic groups actually subscribe to basic Christian doctrine, just dressed up in Jewish clothes. On the other hand, I’ve also experienced that most HR/Messianic groups very seldom actually critically question what they are being taught by teachers who claim a Messianic title. They also very seldom understand that there are underlying theologies that drive certain interpretation and readings of Scripture. So, while I agree with you that we need to continue investigating our foundation we inherited from Christian roots, I also believe we need to make sure that we build on proper Scriptural roots. And that we also make sure that the entire cake is scripturally sound, and not just the foundations.

I think Skip summed up my previous thoughts exactly; we need “serious revisionary thought.” And although the path might be tough and long, if I can take a few steps in my lifetime, I know my three and six year old will be able to take the walk much further.

Sorry for the long reply.

Antoinette

Very well put Michael… thus the whole concept of a “movement” … we are not looking to ascend the dung hill but find the ground beneath it returning to the original foundations that are squarely planted on good ground. That takes “questioning” as is stated here, ” 1Th 5:21 Prove all things, uphold that which is good.”

The word prove=
to test (literally or figuratively); by implication to approve: – allow, discern, examine, X like, (ap-) prove, try.
The word good= , honest, meet, well, worthy

Question it, poke it prod it put it under the microscope and see what it’s made of and how it stands up! And keep, hold, uphold and stand for and upon what is honest, true to the mark and worthy of our call.

Blessings,
antoinette

Michael

“Messianic/Hebrew Roots”

Hi Jaco,

I know next to nothing about the topic above, but just found an interesting theory about the Irish

There is a theory that the Irish are descended from the Ten Lost Tribes (WIKI)

Proponents of this theory state that there is evidence that the prophet Jeremiah went to Ireland

With Princess Tea Tephi, a member of the Israelite royal family

Proponents of this theory point to various parallels between Irish and ancient Hebrew culture

For example, they note that the Harp, the symbol of Ireland, also plays a role in Jewish history

As the musical instrument of King David

My descendants are from Ireland, and although I have no musical talent, I’m from the “Hara” clan

Which as you no doubt know is a very common Hebrew word 🙂

Helmut Meijer

It sure is more convenient to ignore the discrepancies in our Scriptural paradigm(s), and it surely does raise the question of the role of our traditions, if we do not scrutinize them for what they really are! may we journey deeper and deeper..

Pam

Life was so much easier when I already knew everything. But it’s so much richer and exciting now that I don’t.

Mary

Like!!!

Timothy Eugene

Double like…and somehow I’m sure God is quite content with us..now that we aren’t as smart as we thought we were!

Antoinette

NICE! so true.

Rich Pease

We are to “ask”, “seek”, and “knock”. If we do, revelation unlocks. Let’s journey on together!

Ruth

Thank you Skip for posting this mail. For me it is really time to review what a Doctrine Statement is really saying and are they necessary or only putting us in a box. Sincerely.

Daria

“may we have the courage to look into those things we thought we already knew to be true”…

but turn it all over to the Holy Spirit and let Him lead us! AMEN!

Daria

Exactly. Be sure that it is the HOLY Spirit of YHVH that is helping us discern. Many spirits are in our midst attempting to persuade and dissuade.
The Holy Spirit guided me from early childhood to do or see or not do or not look at things that would grieve Him. (I HAD NO CHRISTIANS IN MY LIFE… not one.) Tho I was baptized as an infant into the Catholic cult and, yes, had “those nuns” who used to glare at me in a cold, judgmental posture all the way thru Catholic school, I NEVER SAW A BIBLE until I was about 16 yoa (NOT THRU THE CATHOLIC “church”) and never started reading it as the WORD of GOD until I was in my late 20’s.
It was AMAZING to me when I saw all of those things that the Holy Spirit had taught me/guided me by so much earlier were ACTUALLY WRITTEN in God’s WORD. (I had no “church” [just cruel, Catholic attempts at indoctrination… which I disdained from the beginning] background, no “Bible study” opportunities during those days, no “fellowship.” I GUESS I CAN PRAISE GOD FOR THAT NOW!)

The simple, complete faith of a child in GOD is a beautiful, supernatural thing…

Mark

I’ve understood a bit about how Yeshua was slain from the foundation of the world, but in regards to number 4 above, how does this piece of Scripture tie in?

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The only place Scripture mentions Yeshua’s death on a “tree” was His death on the cross. It doesn’t mention He was slain on a tree from the foundation of the world.

Skip – can you help explain this verse and how it ties in with your previous teachings?

Michael

Hombre (1967)

John Russell, disdained by his “respectable” fellow stagecoach passengers because he was raised by Indians, becomes their only hope for survival when they are set upon by outlaws.

Director: Martin Ritt
Stars: Paul Newman, Fredric March, Richard Boone

One thing I learned from Hombre long ago was not to worry too much

About what other people believe, and the only thing I know for sure is

The Lord’s Prayer “works”

Antoinette

Wow! A person who “questions” scripture? Thank you for your candidness! I have had many such “questions” over the years. They have not weakened my desire to continue on in this walk, but have been sent to do exactly the opposite! I am grateful that Yah is not surprised by my “questions” and even encourages them, so that my faith may be grounded in reality and supported by truth! Praise be to His Name!

hsb

Skip: after all this discussion, I would be most interested in now hearing what YOU believe are the essentials.

espen

So, on your point no 4, blood is not a substitutional payment, but suffering is? What about Isaiah 53:10?

The level of unanswered questions in your TW these days are staggering. Kind of reminds me of what I read on blogs and comments on the educational systems of this world, like teological studies and the like: “It takes an inhuman effort to keep your faith trough teological university studies”

Rather than building me up, I feel like Im left with more unanswered questions I had than when I first read it. Why raise all the questions when almost none are answered? whats the purpose?
in what direction are you taking us?

Pam Staley

Well, all I can say is “BRING IT ON” … As the other Pam said – some of us have been posing these questions (some of us silently) for 30 some years – ever since we ‘came out of church’ and found out all was not well in the bell tower! Yes, there are more questions than answers….but those questions enable us to wipe the ash dust from our glazed eyes and refocus to even see what it is we DO believe and WHY we believe it! How will we ever come out of ‘her’ if we can’t ask the difficult and seat squirming questions? We simply can not settle for status quo!!!!

As it was said above – the info on the ‘ezer kenegdo’ brought me full circle – kicked me out of some – and brought me into some new ones…..but all of it – has been with a high price. Would I have chosen those decisions if I had known how high a price was to be paid? Not sure…..not sure at all. But since ‘HE’ is the one who orchestrated everything, as Job….I simply praise His Name and carry on.

So … that being said….I’m ready – let’s get on with it.