Original Dissent

Parents shall not be put to death for children, nor children be put to death for parents: a person shall be put to death only for his own crime.  Deuteronomy 24:16  JPS Torah Commentary: Deuteronomy

Only – Does God punish people for the sins of their ancestors?  Well, if you read Exodus 20:5-6, Exodus 34:6-7, Numbers 14:18 or Jeremiah 32:18, you might be inclined to say, “Yes.”  These four verses all recount the same single phrase, “visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children.”  Even the JPS Torah Commentary claims that this idea, found in Greek and Hittite literature, is a divine prerogative.  In a communal society such as ancient Israel, “members of a family expected to share a common fortune, whether good or bad.”[1]  But what do we do about this clear commandment prohibiting the punishment of children on the basis of the parent’s crime?

First, we should notice some moderation (accommodation?) in this translation.  The word translated “crime” is actually heto, literally “sin.”  The JPS translates this word as “crime” because the commentator takes the position that the verse is about human judicial procedures.  God has the right to punish descendants but men do not have that right.  Therefore, the translator shifts the meaning from “sin,” which is clearly within the realm of God’s purview, to “crime,” which makes the verse apply only to human oversight.  But this is playing with the text.  There is no textual justification for this change.  The verse should read, “a person shall be put to death only for his own sin.”

Secondly, we should look at the insertion of the word “only.”  The literal rendering of the verse doesn’t include this word (literally “man for his own sin shall be put to death”).  The translators add “only” to capture the idiomatic sense of this verse.  In other words, they emphasize the individuality of this punishment.  But this seems to stand in stark contrast to the claim that members of the family expected to share in the common fortune.  Which is it:  corporate or individual?

Finally, we should note that this approach, allowing God to mete out trans-generational punishment but prohibiting the same act for human beings, overlooks the difficulty with the word paqad (“visiting”).  TWOT says, “There is probably no other Hebrew word that has caused translators as much trouble as pqd.”[2]  TWOT suggest that there is evidence that the word should be understood in the sense of “make a visitation,” i.e., to attend to with care, or note, to oversee.  None of these meanings suggest trans-generational punishment.  If this is true, then Deuteronomy 24:16 is consistent for both divine and human application.  A man is punished for his own sin.  God does not hold human beings accountable in any way different than we are to hold human beings accountable.  In fact, if Tigay’s commentary is correct and God operates on a different basis, then it is hard to imagine why He would prohibit His children from doing something that reflects His true character.  If Torah reflects the true character of God, and Torah commands me not to punish someone for something they did not actually do, then why would God do that?

Of course, there is a theological implication here that flies in the face of an essential doctrine of the Reformers, namely, the doctrine of original sin.  If God does not punish men for the actions of their fathers, then the idea of original sin is simply wrong.  And if God does punish men for the actions of their fathers (as the doctrine suggests), then why does God prohibit me from doing the same?

Topical Index:  original sin, paqad, visiting, sin, Deuteronomy 24:16, Exodus 34:7



[1] Jeffrey Tigay, The JPS Torah Commentary: Deuteronomy, p. 436.

[2] TWOT, #1802

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Robin Jeep

It appears to me that we do not inherit the behavior of a parent or ancestor but the propensity towards that behavior. It may come down genetically and the be cultivated by the environment. It may be an inherited mindset that follows with a specific behavior that is encouraged by the environment. Once this process begins it is no longer the parent’s sin or crime but owned by the descendant. We are shackled or freed by our own perceptions of reality. But, who is the who who controls our perceptions of reality?

carl roberts

Heredity or environment? Or both? What we do, say, think, or “act out” affects all those around us, most assuredly, our own chldren. None of us live or die “unto ourselves..” Our children are watching, listening- intently, intentionally. Little children have rightly been named, “God’s little spies..”

I spy with my little eye.. and when I grown up, I want to be “just like my father..”

Roy W Ludlow

I say, “Let have a funeral service and bury ‘Original Sin’ so deep it can never be brought back up.

Michael C

I agree, Roy. I’ve had trouble trying to figure this doctrine out most of my life. It never made any sense to me, however, I just continued to go along with it until the past several years when I jumped out of the box kicking and screaming for some clarity.

I have a shovel we can use.

Michael and Arnella Stanley

Michael C. Good to hear from you again. We were getting worried that you haven’t commented lately. My mind went racing down the hill faster than you can on your new mountain bike; in fact I wondered if you hadn’t gotten banged up in your pursuit of speed and controlled danger and were unable to communicate or, God forbid, that something happened to your father. SO I’ll park my mind safely in the garage-if I had one- and quit worrying. Absence may make the heart grow fonder, but it always wonders what the other is up to. Shalom, Michael

Michael C

Hi Michael and Arnella,

Well, yes, I have been banged up mountain bike riding, however, that is a regular and typical occurrence! If I come home without any new dings or bruises I figure I didn’t really ride hard and fast enough. 🙂

Thanks for missing me and your concern. I’ve been somewhat busy. I travelled to Washington D.C. area last week for a wheel building class. I’ve discovered and somewhat mastered the mystery of spoked wheels now. Built my first set of MTB wheels. I love it!

I’m nowhere near as efficient as Skip in traveling the world and keeping up with the blogs! I don’t know how he does it!

Also, while reading the daily TW, I have, for some reason been rather dry as to any responses lately. I just absorbed instead of responded. Maybe it’s because I’ve been so physically tired lately. But I just didn’t want to offer a response without some thought in it.

I hope to get back in the saddle, so to speak, in the coming days. The ‘et’ subject is fascinating, intriguing and enormous in scope it seems to me. The Hebrew language continues to capture my attention. It beguiles and ensnares me.

His love to you two and thanks for continuing the quest of drawing closer to Him in this journey set before all of us.

Shalom

Rick

The next phrase that needs to be examined is, “visiting iniquity.” as Carl says, our actions do affect others. But our punishment is our own. For example, if I am incarcerated (punished) for my own crime (sin), my children are affected (visited) by my absence and the stigma that accompanies it. This affect continues to the third and fourth generations, as Exodus 20:5 goes on to say.

In my book, the theology of “original sin” is a man-made attempt (excuse?) to explain a relationship with God. It is idolatry to put a systematic theology ahead of relationship with the living God, creator of all things eternal.

Gary Predoehl

Rick,
What is your book?
Gary

carl roberts

This also brings up the “reality” of Personal Responsibility. ~ “Every one of us (each of us) will give account of himself (or herself) to God.” My sins are mine and mine alone, yet if I sin, I pollute everything and everyone who is near. My neighbors, my children, my family, my community and my nation. Sin pollutes. Sin contaminates everything it touches. (Even) ~ The plowing of the wicked is sin. ~
Walk for a week (or even a day) within this society, within this “dirty” culture and come out sparkling like a diamond.. -it is not going to happen.
So, what are we to do? Live according to the instructions embedded within the words of God. For instance: Philippians 4.8: ~ Whatsoever things are….. – think on these things.. ~
Why is this important?- (why is this critical?) The thought IS the father of the deed, whatever the deed (good or bad) may be.

CAROL MATTICE

The thought IS the father of the deed, whatever the deed (good or bad) may be.

Reply : SO TRUE.

Benny de Brugal

The thought IS the father of the deed, whatever the deed (good or bad) may be. AGREED.

Rick A

Gary – sorry for the ambiguity. What I should have said is in my opinion. So “my book” is my opinion in this case.
Rick

Michael

HEBREW Exodus 34:7

Yahweh, Yahweh, a God of tenderness and compassion, slow to anger, rich in kindness and faithfulness; for thousands he maintains his kindness, forgives faults, transgression, sin;

Yet he lets nothing go unchecked, punishing the father’s fault in the son’s and in the grandsons to the third and fourth generation.

And Moses bowed down to the ground at once and worshipped.

HINDU WIKI

Karma in Indian religions is the concept of “action” or “deed”, understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called saṃsāra). Originating in ancient India, Karma is part of Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh philosophies.

Many Hindus see God’s direct involvement in this process; others consider the natural laws of causation sufficient to explain the effects of karma.

Mike: I think at some level everything is connected and our sins end up punishing others

Mike: I think the original sin is a logical explanation for why we are not in Paradise