Too Familiar

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.  John 3:16  ESV

In him – We are so familiar with this verse that we probably never imagined it could be read any other way.  But my friend John raised an issue about the pronoun.  If you were in John’s reading audience in the first century, you just might assign this pronoun to “God” rather than the “Son.”  God gave His Son because He loves His creation (the cosmos) and wants to redeem it.  Whoever believes that this is God’s way of defeating death and bringing the defilement of the creation to an end will not perish.  In other words, as a result of the gift we are to believe in the actions of the giver.  The emphasis is on the generosity of the Father.    This would be perfectly appropriate for John’s Jewish audience. 

Why would we even consider this alternative reading after all the Christological emphasis of the Church?  First we have to look at the general context of John’s gospel.  What is the purpose of John’s gospel?  He tells us.  He writes in order that we will believe that Yeshua is the divine Son of God, the Jewish Messiah.  How does John demonstrate that this is true?  He offers a series of signs accompanied by various Messianic claims.  Does John suggest that Yeshua came so that we would worship Him?  Except for Thomas’ declaration, we always find Yeshua pointing us to the Father.  Yeshua never claims credit for Himself.  He follows the path of the suffering servant, not the victorious king.  All that he does can be summarized in tetelestai (“It is accomplished”).  For most of our lives, we thought Yeshua was saying that He finished the work of salvation or that He completed the Law.  Now we know better.  But since this is the end of the story, what is the beginning?  John models Genesis in his prologue.  It is all about the creative actions of God and the Son.  But is the focus exclusively on the Son as the object of worship?   No Jew, even Yeshua, would have made such a claim.  The only good One is YHWH.  The only One to serve is YHWH.  Everything comes from Him and returns to Him.  John positions Yeshua in relation to the Father, not the other way around.  “If you have seen Me” presupposes an understanding of the work and love of God.  What if this too-familiar text actually says, “God as the Giver is the One we must believe”? The pronoun could refer to either.  In order to decide which one we must look deeper.

Now we need to look at the Greek text.  It is slightly ambiguous.  The relevant text is hina pas ho pisteuon eis autonHina (that, so that, in order that) introduces a subjunctive clause.  Does the pronoun of the subjunctive clause refer to the subject of the sentence  (God) or to the direct object of the sentence (the Son)?  Some comments about hina may be valuable.  “The NT is particularly fond of clauses with [hina].  But the decisive reason for this preference is not to be found in a linguistic softening of the conjunction . . . The reason is to be sought in the teleological understanding of the ways of God and the destiny of man as this is promoted in the NT.  This is proved on the one hand by the prior history of [hina] and its Semitic equivalents in the OT and later Judaism, and on the other hand by the fact that in the NT itself [hina] and its synonyms are most common where there is the stronger teleological thinking, i.e., in the Pauline and Johannine writings.”[1]  Stauffer points out that the use of hina in the LXX is normally associated with the purposes of God’s actions.  “The revelation of His divine nature, power and glory is the constant aim of His actions, and this belief is basic for an understanding of God right on into NT days.”[2]  If this is John’s perspective, then we would expect his use of hina to point us toward YHWH.  That means the referent of the pronoun in the subjunctive clause would most likely be “God.”  That means that John’s classic commentary on the conversation with Nicodemus (it is quite unlikely that these are the words of Yeshua) fits the Jewish idea of the Messiah, one who is given in order to call the children back to the Father, to open the way for all to come to YHWH. 

Of course, we still have to deal with John’s use of pisteuo (to believe) in combination with eis (to believe into), but perhaps we have been too quick to adopt the Christological interpretation of this verse.  Perhaps we have ignored John’s Jewish perspective.  Perhaps.  It’s worth considering, isn’t it?  Imagine the change this makes.

Topical Index:  hina, so that, him, pronoun, John 3:16

 



[1] Ethelbert Stauffer, hina, TDNT, Vol. III, p. 324.

[2] Ibid.

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carl roberts

What Sayest Thou?

By your (own) words you shall be justified, and by your (own) words- you will be judged.. ~ (Matthew 12.37)

*In Him*

There are so many uses of *in Him* in the Book God wrote. Why?

*In Him* dwelleth all the fulness of the godhead bodily. Who does this refer to? Only One Man would qualify for this. The promised Messiah has come.

I can easily see where a “God-fearing” Jew would be disturbed. The prayer of “shema” is to be recited twice daily. Once in the morning and again in the evening or close of the day. It is foundational to the Jewish faith and belief (system?). Hear (shema) O Israel, the LORD our God is One..

Here is a link to further information about this central, core prayer: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/The_Shema/the_shema.html

If God is One (and He is) then who is this Man, (the Man Christ Jesus) who appears on the scene and then makes this (crazy?) statement: ~ Before Abraham was – I AM ?” ~ Yes, I agree.. ???
(What meaneth this?)

The gospel accounts (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) all present “their side of the story.” The Messiah, in Matthew is presented as The King. He is of the house and blood-lines of David. He is (according to the flesh) a royal blue-blood and does have the right to rule as King. Christ is presented throughout the scriptures as Prophet, Priest and King. The Jews require a sign. “Give us a sign,” – they say, and we will believe. Uhh, how many “signs”does it take?

The promised Messiah has come. Are we to “worship Him?” What do the scriptures say? We are (after all) to love (only) the LORD our God with all our heart-soul-mind-and strength and to serve “Him only,” so who is this One who claims to be the Son of God? Is He “who” He claims to be?

O, this “controversial Christ!” The Jews require a sign? How about (not only) signs, but how about we throw in (for good measure) some “wonders” as well?

Thomas (or “Doubting” Thomas as we have come to know him) “believed” the same way. “I’ll not believe unless I see the nail-scarred hands.” O Thomas! This, will (certainly) be a sign unto you!

Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be faithless, but believing.” Thomas answered and said to Him, “My LORD and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed. Blessed are they who do not see, and yet believe.”

Thomas, what have you done? Have you just “assigned” divinity to a Man? “My LORD *and* my God? Are you saying (confessing) Thomas, that Jesus (the) Christ is YHWH? Thomas the Doubte asked for a sign and the Son of God, the Lamb of God certainly gave him one! – Up close AND (very) personal! After seeing those (still bleeding) wounds, how could Thomas still “not believe?”

The Jews (still) require a sign. More signs and wonders. Wow God, what You have to go through! Are we really that hard-headed and stiff-necked that we cannot (also) believe? Oh, I see.. it is not that we “cannot” believe, – it is that we will not believe! We are (truly) “willingly ignorant” sheep. We have made the choice- (and it is certainly the choice of a lifetime) to not believe in tHis Name. The Name that is above all names.

Because God “SO LOVED..” “God is love,” John “the disciple Jesus loved” says.. And Love gives. Sacrificially. And Supremely.

Where was this Love (the Love from Above) displayed for all the world (Gentiles included?) to see? God gave the Jews the sign they were looking for. Was (sum-dum-guy inquired) the Lamb of God crucified during the Passover? Yes, He was. Not only when, but where? O friends! Time and Place both testify- “THIS IS” Jesus: King of the Jews.

So, what about us? Should we then “hail Him?” or “nail Him?”

“But what about you?” He asked. “Who do you say I AM?”

CAROL MATTICE

I hope that it is not mere believing what I have seen for years but believing by faith that what is being said about the “IN HIM” does NOT exclude the very one that shed HIS BLOOD.
Bypass the blood and what and who do we have ?
I am of the opinion still that Jehovah in the O.T. is Jesus in the N.T. without a lot of theology which the common man does not possess.
I know about studying and all but not all in the family of GOD are theologians.
So what Carl is saying….I comprehend…and I receive.
Is this merely a Christian mind springing up from the GREEK ; who knows.. but this one thing I find easier to accept that there is ONLY ONE and that ONE GOD was MANifested in the form of a servant.
I am open at least I hope I am to receive more revelation but if it is NOT Christ centred.. not sure what to do with it !!

Leo

Lately I heard a teaching by Jean Paul Jackson. He pointed out that in English there is a serious difference between “eternal” and “everlasting”. Eternal means according to Jean Paul: without a beginning and without an end. Everlasting means then, WITH a beginning but without end. Therefore I am afraid that the verse would better read that we would receive “everlasting” life from God, by accepting Jesus. Only God and only He, has eternal life. By using “eternal” life regarding “mankind”, we in fact diminish the Glory of God. Food for thought.

Rich Pease

Who’s who?

Who’s the highest?
Who’s the greatest?

Who’s to be worshipped?
Who’s to be exhaulted?

For the record, Jesus said:
“I and My Father are one.” Jn 10:30

One.

Is there more than one way to read this?
What if we lean on our own understanding?

Gayle Johnson

It is certainly worth considering. It neither changes nor denies the work of Yeshua in the earth, but expands my understanding of it. I have been wondering for some time about this. If Yeshua’s life and mission on earth was a fulfillment of the heavenly plan, then it seems as if His death would be the act of cleansing the earth from defilement (if one accepts the Torah teaching of sacrifice). I still wonder, however, why the earth is not prospering as to rain in its season, crop growth, and famine, to name a few issues. Could it be because we refuse to obey the essentials concerning the instructions? In my own area, we are in the midst of an extreme drought. My suggestion to many ‘believers’ is that we consider obeying the ancient instructions given by the Creator. It seems straightforward to me. Which of these did Yeshua say are not valid?

If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
Lev. 26:3-4

Brian

Gayle Johnson,

Shalom to you and yours.

You wrote: ” I still wonder, however, why the earth is not prospering as to rain in its season, crop growth, and famine, to name a few issues. Could it be because we refuse to obey the essentials concerning the instructions? In my own area, we are in the midst of an extreme drought.”

Could it be possible that YHWH is allowing this particular judgment from the standpoint of technology? Have you heard anything regarding (SAI) stratospheric aerosol injection or (SRM) solar radiation management? Here is a site if you are interested: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

YHWH is KIng!

Gayle Johnson

Yes, Brian, I have read articles that point to geoengineering as contributing to many issues these days. I understand that has been going on for a lot longer than we realize.

Brian

Gayle Johnson, I appreciate your response, and your awareness of the issue of geoengineering.

The Christian world has declared that the light of Torah has been extinguished (abolished), while celebrating the darkness, calling it grace and freedom. They grope in darkness, blind to the day to day, and the real issues confronting our world. Geoengineering being one of many of the issues.

Despite the Christian world proclamation, the light of Torah is still burning brightly! Torah is filled to the brim with meaning, giving us true light to celebrate and understand our obligations to grace and freedom. Torah gives us vision for the day to day, and allows us to see from YHWH”s perspective, His intention and plan for the issues confronting our world.

O, YHWH, have mercy on our world! Bring to light those who intentions and motivations are given over to the yetzer hara, and delight in bringing about those intentions, no matter what the cost to our world. Give your people the courage to live out your Torah, and to be Your voice confronting the chaos and madness of our twisted world.

YHWH is King!

Brian

The Christian world desires to be a voice, crying in the wilderness, but denies the Voice still calling forth from the mountain. They are mute in the wilderness, yet still speaking, they produce no sound for the world to hear and know the difference between right and wrong. They no longer put a basket over the light of Torah, but they have thrown away the candle entirely.

Irregardless of this . . . YHWH is King!

Therein lies my hope and steadfastness.

I am not giving a diatribe to the Christian world. My heart is in pain due to the callousness and seeming disregard of the delightful and glorious ways of Torah.

Have I arrived? By no means! I am on the journey though because of the grace of YHWH found in full measure in Messiah, and I am learning to walk in the teaching and guidance of Abba.

Longing and waiting for the fullness of Messiah to be revealed!

In His Care, Brian

Michael

17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God.

Hi Skip,

It is still hard for me to get away from the feeling that, with John, I’m in the Greek world view 🙂

Believe – to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in the thing believed

Michael

pist-yoo’-o Verb
Definition:

– to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
the thing believed
– to credit, have confidence in a moral or religious reference
– used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
– to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith 1bc) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith
– to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity
– to be intrusted with a thing

Hmmm

Maybe I’m just a man of little faith

Who tends to think God’s will will be done

And my job is to accept it

My preferences have little to do with it

Laurita Hayes

Thank you, Skip, for putting G-d back on the throne, where He belongs. Thank you, too, Leo, for giving me that marvelous distinction between eternal and everlasting! Thank you to Carol, also, for your loyalty.

I see that we have pretty much come full circle, back to the same heresies that plagued the early church. It is becoming clear to me that if people think that they can split up the Godhead, there can be room to insinuate themselves or another imposter into it. The human mother of the Son of God can become higher than He; hey, why, if we just follow His ‘example’, we can achieve divinity, too! If we can get Him away from His Father long enough, we can even figure out how to keep Him dead on His cross, or can put Him in a little box, and pull Him out just long enough to hand Him His divinity so we can kill Him again and then put Him back. If we can get His Spirit separated long enough, we can box that up, too, and repackage It into something a little more salable, with new names, like Universe, or Cosmic Consciousness, or Energy: you know, stuff we can conjure up ourselves without having to ask the ‘rest’ of that Godhead for permission… If we can put the Son back down at the human level long enough, we can repackage the Father back into a more salable form to those folks who already have their OWN name for a Deity, or are having a problem with needing a ‘saviour’, and who just want to maintain their own way to paradise, or immortality… ad nauseum…

While on the subject, I want to thank Skip also for pointing out to me that the Hebrew also makes no distinction between spirit, mind and body for a human being. I guess it must have been the Greeks who decided to split that up, too, huh? If you think about it, it becomes pretty obvious why they would think they had to. I mean, if you believe in the natural immortality of the soul (“ye shall not surely die”), or in reincarnation in some form, or achievable divinity for us, even, you have to get the soul away from that body long enough to catapult it around a little, so as to put it in various places, times or dimensions; some of which you can’t have with a body, too. Thus Leo’s little comment means so much. To be created means to have a beginning, and it also means to have a composite existence, indivisible in its elements. Made in the image of our Creator… Hmm

And yes, I love my Saviour, along with Carol. It was really my G-d on that cross. How, I do not know. But I have been promised everlasting eternity to figure out how to understand and praise Him for it! Halleluah!