Plato and Plotinus

while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:18 NASB

Eternal – The commitment of the West to the Platonic ideal of unity found in the abstracts of the Good, the True and the Beautiful in a world apart from that of ordinary living is, in the words of Jonathan Sacks, “the attempt to impose an artificial unity on divinely created diversity.”[1]

The influence of Plato and his school of thought embodied in Plotinus cannot be overemphasized. Virtually all of our thought categories about spiritual reality show traces of Plato and Plotinus, especially our ideas of heaven and of the incarnation. Let’s consider just the first of these two.

What do you think when you imagine heaven? Do you imagine a place (?) where life is continual comfort, where everyone enjoys a mansion (but who will clean the bathrooms?) and where work is no longer necessary? Does heaven feel like a continuous vacation? More importantly, is heaven the residence of Truth, of real Beauty, of the eternal Good? Is there no tension in heaven, no challenge, no effort expended? Is heaven the place of final dream fulfillment where all the small details that make life difficult on this earth evaporate in one great hymn to God’s glory? How much of your concept of heaven is really just the negation of what you don’t like on earth, a projection of what you think “paradise” should be like? By the way, “paradise” is not the same as the biblical idea of heaven, although it has very ancient roots in pagan empires. When Paul says that he knew (knows?) a man who went to the third heaven (the NLT cuts to the chase and simply says “I went to the third heaven,” assuming that Paul writes about himself), what does that mean? Plotinus postulated ten levels of heaven, from the wholly other transcendental abstraction of pure God to the levels of the deme-gods who ultimately brought about the corrupt material world. Is that what Paul means? Is biblical heaven a Platonic spiritual realm where all material corruption and decay is banned and its citizens are bodiless spirits that never age? How much of Plato is in your projection? How much of your heaven has nothing in common with the creation of the earth in Genesis 1?

Is your heaven an abstract idea removed from all the particulars of what it means to be alive? Or do you think like John—heaven coming to earth where life is very much about all the details? Do you have to have a completely “other worldly” fixation in your eternal perspective? Randy Alcorn writes, “we need to ask God to open our eyes to what’s at stake—to the unseen world and the reality of Heaven, our eternal destination. . . Suddenly we realize this present life is but a brief window of opportunity to invest in what will last for eternity.”[2] Alcorn cites Joni Erickson Tada’s statement from Heaven: Your Real Home. The title alone suggests a view of this life that isn’t shared by Jewish thought. Alcorn writes, “if we’re not looking forward to [heaven], we must not understand it.”[3] I wonder. If we don’t understand heaven as the escape from this “temporary” world, what are we to make of John’s claim that the new heaven will come to this realm? How are we to understand life in heaven if it is entirely devoid of any relation to life here and now? What does it mean to be human if we no longer reside in the only place made for human living—here, the place YHVH made perfectly for those in His image?

Just how much Plato can we take?

Topical Index: heaven, 2 Corinthians 4:18, aionios, Plato, Plotinus

[1] Jonathan Sacks, The Dignity of Difference, p. 52.

[2] Randy Alcorn, “Why an Eternal Perspective Changes Everything,” in Eternal Perspective, Summer 2015, p. 3.

[3] Ibid.

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laurita hayes

Revelation describes a heaven come down to earth. In fact, that heaven has the particulars of the Garden: the river, the Tree of Life, etc. And what about that New Jerusalem? And then there’s the “temple not made with human hands”. Hebrews describes it in great detail, and calls it the template, if you will, of the inferior one that was made with human hands. And the Throne in the middle of the New Jerusalem that is described as a space ship of sorts that comes and levels Mount Zion into a great plain for this massive cube that Ezekiel measures as 1500 miles long, deep and HIGH. That Throne is on the apex, in the middle of it, and when Yeshua takes that throne, the entire play is over. Every knee bows, and then the wicked are annihilated. To me, this all smacks of heaven come down to earth, and not the other way around. Yeshua became us, instead of us becoming gods, too. There is a pattern here, to me, where the Perfect and the Beautiful continually descend to the bottom, in order to transform that bottom. Love is ever seeking more and yet more ways to be humble, and we go to a place IN TIME (which the example of the Sabbath should have been teaching us) where we will learn ever more humility to all eternity, just like our Pattern. It is the mark of the greater that it can stoop to the lesser – in love, that is, but love defines all true greatness, does it not? It is only the small and the inferior that is rigid and brittle and requires the other to bend to it. What does that make of the supposedly ‘great’ of this earth? In this kingdom, the first are last, and the last are first, and we have been living as Alice in Wonderland from the get go. Now we see through that looking glass darkly because it is all backwards now, and the spell is going to have to be muttered backwards with dissevering mutters for us to even reach the true starting point. I think this is way beyond paradigm shift: this is paradigm reversal!

Lauretta aragon

Yahshua is coming to restore all things. Restore is to put back to the way it was in the beginning. Man was created to live forever in the garden. The plan didn’t change. When all is restored we will once again live in the garden forever.

Lynn

Skip and Lauretta beautiful insightful words this morning! Has this restoration begun in us? I would love to
believe so. As we have begun to think outside our small paradigm boxes of all the “religions” of the world?
Heaven an temple, two words, yet meaning so many different things to each of us. Do we now need to move into another paradigm shift? Perhaps starting with aligning our hearts with that of Abba YHVH’s very own heart? My nephesh, and heart cry for this! To know HIM and what His True desire was for us in the
Garden before knowledge was desired over Trusting Abba for every provisional coverage of His cloak of
Glory! Oh to walk naked and unashamed! As we learned this weekend from Skip, Transparency of the
Soul!

carl roberts

This world, this green planet upon which we are now living, has a problem. Well, many problems with one root cause. Is there not a cause? Yes, there is.. It is sin. Starting with Adam and descending down through his tainted blood-line, this world, yes, the same one God created and called “good” has been and is corrupted by sin. All* (with the exception of One!) have sinned.
It’s hard to even imagine a world in which sin does not exist, but there is such place. I’m really no so much worried or impressed for that matter with streets of gold, and gates of pearl, but I sure am looking forward to a place where sin is totally banished and non-existent. This would be “heaven” to me. No need to start a list of “no’s” for we already know what will “not be there..” Why is there no sin in Heaven? Because God is there and God is holy.

R.J.

Also I’ve heard that Aion and aionios properly signify an age/cycle(as opposed to a fleeting moment) and not to eternity. The Jews used it in place of Olam(in the Septuagint) which meant “distant horizon, vanishing point, obscurity-time out of mind”. I’ve heard the Jews did not have a proper term for everlasting or forever like the Greeks did. The only Greek word that most appropriately signifies eternity is “aidios”.

Robert lafoy

I thought adios was Spanish!!!

R.J.

Lol the Greek word is actually pronounced “ah-id’-ee-os” and almost always signifies eternity except in very rare cases like Jude 1:6. But even there it could mean that the chains are so powerful it’s as if they are everlasting!

Robert lafoy

It’s a good word play. ? thank you for the message no though, a gentleman asked me one time what “eternity” was and I responded that it was when you had offended your spouse and should have known why but you were too hard headed to get it and they gave you the silent treatment until you figured it out. From the time the silent treatment started until it was resolved, is/was an eternity. Adios. ?