All the Pieces (2)

But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21 NASB

Interpretation – Yesterday we noted that Peter assumes the validity of the Pharisees’ concept of divine inspiration. The writings of the prophets are God’s word. We pointed out that unless we recognize where Peter got that idea, we really don’t understand why he says this or what he means by it. We concluded that it is crucial to read the apostolic material within the context of the times, and this means knowing what the rabbis taught and how it influenced the thinking of the disciples.

Now we can outline a method of our own.

When we attempt to understand what God is teaching through the authors of the Bible, we have to include all the pieces. This means we cannot work solely within the canon. The authors didn’t do that, so how can we? What we need to do is to capture as best we can the ideas that were circulating during the times that these men wrote because the way that they heard God and the way they expressed that message was conditioned by their own understanding of the world, the Scriptures and the theological perspective of their culture.

This should not be a surprise. It is the way we would approach any other historical material. The problem we encounter is that because it is the Bible, we are often inclined to think of it as elevated above all other writings in both method and content. We fall victims to the idea that God delivered timeless truths, and therefore, the cultural settings of the authors have no bearing on the results. In other words, we treat the Bible as if it were independent of human transmission, as if it were a book that somehow floated down from heaven (in pieces, of course) so that no human thinking was actually a part of its formation. We act as if the Bible is like the golden tablets of the angel Maroni delivered to Joseph Smith in 1823. But it isn’t! It is the product of God’s action through men, and it displays all the cultural, linguistic and structural characteristics of any other ancient literature. Its message might be divine, but its delivery is human.

This means that we are required to pay attention to the culture of the men who wrote it. If we want to understand Genesis, for example, we will need to seriously consider the background of Egyptian mythology, not the arguments of William Whiston. If we want to understand Isaiah, we need to know the history of Babylon and its military actions. If we want to understand Yeshua, we will need to know the works of the Sages and the rabbis. We cannot ignore the cultural milieu of the men who penned the Scriptures.

But, of course, we can. We can hold the view that Scripture alone interprets Scripture. We can close the door to all the cultures that surrounded Israel. We can dismiss anything “Jewish” from our view of the apostles (after all, they were all Christians!) and we can go on pretending that the Holy Spirit will whisper the truth in our ears so that we don’t need to study anything except the Canon (a collection of books that a religious authority has deemed the only collection required for faith and practice – oh, and by the way, who told you that?).

Let me suggest another approach. First, every author of every book has a human history. This means that the cultural assumptions of the author make their way into the text because that’s what the author thought about the world. This does not mean that God didn’t communicate to that author. It simply means that God communicated to the author in ways that the author could understand, i.e., in the language and thought patterns of the author’s own culture. I cannot understand Moses unless I understand Egypt and the ancient near East. It’s as simple as that.

Secondly, every author was either Hebrew or Jewish or deeply involved in the Jewish way of life. Therefore, I cannot understand any of the Bible without a Hebrew/Jewish perspective. Let me put it bluntly. Christian views (those ideas that are distinctly Christian) are not part of the thinking of Hebrews/Jews. If my exegesis results in interpretation that can only be understood from a Christian perspective, I am probably wrong. Whatever I determine to be the meaning of the text must be acceptable to the Hebrew/Jewish view of God and His world in at least the first century and before. This does not imply that contemporary Judaism is the standard. It states only that the exegetical touchstone cannot dismiss the thinking of Jews in the first century or earlier. For me to understand this part of the puzzle, I must know the rabbinic material. To claim otherwise is not only to deny the role of historical scholarship but also to assert an implicit anti-Semitism.

Finally (for now), while we cannot dismiss the role of the Spirit, history alone teaches us that reliance on the Spirit to bring us to truth is the most dangerous of all exegetical methods. More men and women have died because someone heard the voice of God speaking “truth.” History flows with the blood of those killed in the name of God’s leading. It’s time to set aside this position as untrustworthy, if for no other reason than that men are subject to their own fallacies when it comes to internal voices. Pray about a text if you must, but do the homework before you tell me that God has given you the answers.

History, culture, language, setting, literature, influences and ethnic perspective. Examine these. Then let’s talk about what a text means.

Topical Index: interpretation, 2 Peter 1:20-21, hermeneutics

 

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Laurita Hayes

Absolutely. All the above, and more. But, at the end of the day, the rabbinic material, although essential in understanding the mindset, cannot be taken ABOVE the Scripture, but must be understood in light of Scripture, too. What is our golden standard? If the rabbis deviate from Scripture, I can safely disregard what is being said. If a rabbi adds to Scripture, I can overlook it; as a standard of doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction, that is. Why? Because the rabbis, while profound human thinkers, were – and are – not inspired. I also think that the intertestamental material, while in many places profound, was dismissed by the rabbis, along with the people who determined the New Testament canon, as failing the test of actual inspiration BECAUSE it added to, or deviated in places from, the Tanakh; the golden standard. Important? Yes. ESSENTIAL for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction? I don’t think anyone seriously uses that material in that way – even the Jews – and surely it is because of those deviations and additions. My understanding, anyway. Someone please correct me on this.

Leslee

Laurita, as just one example, please go to this page http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/apocrypha_ot/azariah.htm and read the prayer of Azariah in the fiery furnace. If you can find anything in this Apocryhpal piece that deviates from Tanankh, I welcome your input.

Laurita Hayes

I might pass this one on to someone else, as to why it is not considered scripture. I think Robert Lafoy brought up the central question here, and that is, what exactly constitutes scripture? After someone answers that, then perhaps we could have better tools to look at this particular writing, and others. This particular piece DOES line up well with the Tanakh, but that still does not answer the question of inspiration, or of authority. I am not the one that decided not to include it. I am looking at why others did not.

Craig

I did a preliminary check on McDonald’s book, noting that it’s on Baker, a decent, scholarly imprint. Of course, this does not mean that all the contents of his work will be agreed upon by all other scholars. Using Amazon’s convenient “LOOK INSIDE!” feature, I found the following (pp 31-32):

Stendahl [“Apocalypse of John,” 240] correctly observes that [Revelation] is the only book in the NT that claims to be a revelation from God. The author of 2 Pet 3:15-16 (written ca. 120-150 C.E. and perhaps as late as 180 C.E.) apparently recognized Paul’s letters as “Scripture,” but nowhere does Paul or any other author of the NT claim this special and unambiguous recognition for his own writings. Even the Gospels, which tell the story of Jesus, do not in themselves claim final authority. Such divine authority appears to be reserved for Jesus alone (Matt 28:19-20), even though the many OT citations and allusions in the Gospels are evidence of their authoritative status in the life and ministry of the early Christian communities.

A few things on the quote above (and, in fairness, I can’t be sure I fully understand the author, i.e., I may not have the complete context, as I just skimmed a bit of the book):

(1) Stating that “divine authority appears to be reserved for Jesus alone” while citing Matt 28:19-20 is circular: wouldn’t the Gospel of Matthew have to be divinely inspired for such a statement to have any real validity? Or, stated another way, wouldn’t we just dismiss the inspiration of Matthew’s quoted statement about Jesus if Matthew’s Gospel is not actually inspired?

(2) Is it necessary for a given writer to proclaim his book/epistle inspired for it to actually be inspired? Isn’t that also circular logic?

(3) Curiously, the author only dates 2 Peter into the 2nd century, and I’ve never seen it dated as late as 180 – except by some attempting to support the Gnostic material as authoritative over what Christians deem the NT. I’ve seen suggested dates as early as 60 – 70 or 80-100 (and to 160), though I’m inclined to think it was written in the vicinity of the very latter part of the 1st century.

(4) As I wrote in a comment on the previous thread regarding 2 Peter 3:15-16, 49 of the 50 occurrences of the noun graphe in the NT is clearly “Scripture”, and if we assume (eisegete?) that it actually means merely “writings” here, then this usage would clearly be quite exceptional.

Craig

Another thing occurred to me. The position of most here seems to be that Paul in 1 Timothy 3:16 was strictly referring to the Tanakh with his statement that all Scripture is “God-breathed”, or “God-spirited” (theopneustos), “inspired”. Perhaps this is actually the case. However, can we really trust this statement of Paul if he himself was not speaking under “inspiration”? Of course, the statement makes sense in and of itself, and I’m not attempting to refute that. God’s word must be, well, God’s word! In any case, that still doesn’t answer the question of just what constitutes “Scripture” according to 1 Timothy 3:16. And we can’t use the various NT quotations and allusions to books we typically associate with the Tanakh as actually affirming the Tanakh as authoritative if these words in the NT aren’t themselves inspired, can we? Wouldn’t this just be men of no real authority making claims? Perhaps the most we could say is that the writers of what Christians call the NT considered the Tanakh to be very important.

Wouldn’t this also apply to 2 Peter 1:20-21?

Even when the Gospel writers quoted Jesus Himself as saying “it is written” followed by quotations of works we consider to be the OT canon, this cannot definitively prove that these OT works are actually “inspired”, can it? Moreover, perhaps the Gospel writers put words in Jesus’ mouth? Of course, no one can seriously doubt the historicity of a Person named Jesus from Nazareth who was declared to be the Messiah; but, maybe the Gospels really aren’t fully truthful. Maybe the writers used a bit of creative license (and certainly, the Synoptic Gospels relied on each other in some way). Isn’t that possible?

I mean, c’mon, do we really believe that Moses parted the Red Sea? And do we really believe that Jonah was in the belly of a big fish for three days and then regurgitated onto shore? Yes, Matthew records Jesus affirming the story of Jonah – but then we don’t really know if what we call the Gospel of Matthew is inspired. Any more than we know whether Jonah, or the Torah for that matter, is really inspired. Can we really know that for sure?

My point in all this is to illustrate the slippery slope of this sort of thinking. We are left with doubting that anything considered Scripture by Judaism or Christianity is actually Scripture. Perhaps this is all just tradition passed down by men…

Laurita Hayes

The sweater either all hangs together, or it unravels. Wait. If Scripture is truly inspired, then no one could unravel it. They would just be unraveling themselves against the truth, which is what real inspiration brings us. We are back to the anvil and the hammers. Truth needs no verification. It travels on its own. We either have the humility to acknowledge it, or we don’t. In the end, when it comes to truth, we only have something to say about ourselves. “Historical Jesus”? That says nothing about Him, but a lot about those who need Him to just be another man.

Craig

Fair enough, assuming you are referring to my comment at 10:16 pm; however, note my disclaimer prefacing the four points (though I stand by points 3 and 4).

Laurita Hayes

Skip, there is a huge problem in the modern churches where people are encouraged and taught to divorce the Bible from its context, and even from itself. Your voice in this matter is much needed and I know you labor uphill. It seems to me some days that every term, word and even intent has suffered from attempts to pervert it or convert it to human or even diabolical ends. I hope you decide to spend more time on your statement about “Christian evangelicals” that “treat ‘inspiration’ doctrinally, not behaviorally”.

I think the biblical canon was established, ultimately, because a vast body of people realized that it was reliable and useful for basing behavior as well as belief. Truth has a certain ring, and the ultimate ring of it has to do with its efficacy to transform the human into holy. This is where Scripture is “profitable” for me. I trust that canon because every part of it I have found in practice to accomplish this change in me. I also feel I am a part of that community that likewise found it so. In the end, I have also found that the Lord of the Book is the end-all-be-all, as McDonald stated was the aim of that early Body tasked with that canon.

I found McDonald’s book online, and copied the conclusion he made at the end, below:

“Our study has argued that the first Christians were not so much interested in biblical
canons as they were in the Lord of the Church who called them into existence as a
community of faith. The writings that best communicated that call to obedience were
employed in the Church in its faith and mission. In the later process of determining what
literature best reflected the Church’s true identity, many writings that had earlier
appealed to some Christians did not continue as such in subsequent generations. There
was never a time when the Church as a whole concluded that these writings and no
others could help the Church carry out its mission in the world and inform it in its worship and
instruction.
Those who do not require twentieth century standards of precision when discussing the
origins of their Bible and who can appreciate the mixture of humanity with the divine in
the notion and nature of divine Scripture will not be affected much by the time when the
Church recognized its sacred Scriptures or with the less than tidy manner in which it
applied criteria to discern more carefully the collection of sacred writings. Those who
are impatient with loose ends here and there and are resolved to remove all of the
ambiguities of faith will continue to be uncomfortable with the canonical process.
Careful canonical inquiry will not remove the need for faith for those who understand
the Bible as the Word of God, and it will not pose a threat to the Church to find out the
truth of the matter. Faith cannot set aside the results of a careful historical examination
of the origins of the Bible, but on the other hand, it need not be displaced by it either.”

Skip, thank you again for what you feel called to do.

robert lafoy

Yes Ma’am, no such thing as blind faith. Faith by it’s nature is educated, but education isn’t faith.

Tanya

Which of the rabbinic writings that we have today can we say for certain are from the first century and before?

Seeker

Should our only question not be what was God’s will in all these records. After all we are seeking God’s will not the messengers culture and background for God does not call the perfect, He perfectly equips the called for a specific task or am I misunderstanding the complete records.
Not written for me I agree, written or said for a specific group of people 100% agree on that.
So if I have to understand the message or God’s will would it not be better to establish the audience’s background and culture rather than the author’s?

bcp

God told me you were right. #justsaying

Tanya

Giggle…

Ester

LOL

Ester

“Whatever I determine to be the meaning of the text must be acceptable to the Hebrew/Jewish view of God and His world in at least the first century and before. This does not imply that contemporary Judaism is the standard. It states only that the exegetical touchstone cannot dismiss the thinking of Jews in the first century or earlier.” AGREE!

” I must know the rabbinic material.” This is the second occasion you mentioned this, WHAT is rabbinic literature, please, Skip? Toda!

“…. it is preferable anyway to interpret the OT in its own ANCIENT NEAR EASTERN CONTEXT (all emphasis mine), NOT what later (even first century) rabbis thought about the text. There is more value for rabbinical input (in theory) when it comes to the NT, though the rabbis should not be allowed to trump the OT itself in its own context when the NT re-purposes that.

The main difficult is dating RABBINIC MATERIAL. If a rabbi wrote after 70 AD (or, CE), then then there is no logical reason to suppose that the rabbinic thinking had anything to do with the NT writer’s thinking. What is need is pre-70 AD rabbinic material, or definite proof that an idea in a later rabbinic text had circulation before 70 AD. Both are difficult to demonstrate. Hence the pitfall.” -Dr. Michael Heiser

“… but do the homework ….” . What if my sources of that homework is from a wrong source, but it AGREES with my conceptions? Seriously.
These last few TWs are applaudable. Shalom.

DAVID FERNANDEZ

IF Peter is saying (in 2 Peter 3) that Paul’s words are just as inspired or are in the same class as scripture, then the next step is that Paul’s words even supersede the law and prophets (after all, he said that circumcision, eating Kosher, keeping the feasts, keeping shabbat were no longer necessary, right). Then we also must conclude that he is being very rabbinic, as the rabbis saw their own words as ultimate authority, even superseding God’s own words as spoken through the prophets.

bcp

Re: (after all, he said that circumcision, eating Kosher, keeping the feasts, keeping shabbat were no longer necessary, right)

Hmmmm, no, Mr. Fernandez, Paul did NOT state ANY of the above, and while he was rabbinic, it had not YET been established that the words of the rabbis superseded “God’s own words as spoken through the prophets.”

That concept was still in the making at the time of Paul.

The environment was hard and heavy in that direction, but it was not, as yet, established.

Laurita Hayes

Thank you, bcp.

It has been more than interesting to me that the infighting that resulted in the split of the Jews and the Christians coincided with the dogmatic error and the elevation of the human over the divine in both camps simultaneously after that. Much as both sides have hollered at each other ever since, it has struck me that we are tied to the Jews, and they to us, now. We share a Messiah and a history. Until we get this figured out, I don’t think either of us are going to be going much of anywhere. We are family.

bcp

Actually, if you do your research i believe you will find that the ‘split’ was not generated by nor sought by the common believer. It was propelled by those that rose to the top of the ‘religious hierarchy’ and the distinction between ‘jew’ and ‘other’ drawn carefully and with the intent to separate into 2 belief systems those that historically walked as one.

It benefitted no one but the religious rulers, and it continues to benefit them to this day.

The people that holler the loudest are those that know the least about the what and why’s of their belief system, even when believing (even KNOWING) that they do.

IMO

bcp

For a Marine, i’m pretty smart. IMO 🙂

bcp

Or at least well read on the topics i’m interested in.

other then those, i’m fairly ADD.

Ester

Big SMILE

DAVID FERNANDEZ

Couldn’t agree more. Skip has taught the history of the “church” here at our little group. One of the best teachings I have ever heard on it by the way.

DAVID FERNANDEZ

Laurita, please read my 2 statements above.

Laurita Hayes

Got it. I think that sarcasm icon should be a cheek with a tongue stuck in it! I’m with you. Hypocrisy is a perennial condition, and, sadly, too many people would agree with the first part of your comment without blinking. Perhaps there should be a blink button, too…

DAVID FERNANDEZ

Ummmmm….I wish that blogs included a sacrcasm button…because that was a sacrcastic statement I made, bcp. Now please go back and read it with the sarcasm included and you may agree more with what I was trying to convey 🙂

DAVID FERNANDEZ

Also, while I think you and I agree more then disagree. The enviroment was VERY heavyily leaning in that direction or completely as eveidnet in Yeshua’s own words to a group of the Pharisees: “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ 8 “For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men–the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” 9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. (Mark 7:6-9).

DAVID FERNANDEZ

Which led to this:
“If there are 1000 prophets, all of them of the stature of Elijah and Elisha, giving a certain interpretation, and 1001 rabbis giving the opposite interpretation, you shall incline after the majority, and the law is according to the 1001 rabbis, not according to the 1000 venerable prophets.”
(Maimonides)

And this:“By God, if we heard the matter directly from the mouth of Joshua son of Nun, we would not obey him, nor would we listen to him.”
(Maimonides)

My point (that obviously was badly misunderstood) is that I DO NOT think Peter viewed Paul’s letters in the same esteem as he did “the rest of scriptures”. I don’t believe that Peter, Paul, nor John (except maybe for the Revelation of Massiach) would have put their letters on the same playing field either. Otherwise they would be just as guilty as what we condemn the Pharisees and Rabbis doing as stated above, (if as a Christian, one WERE TO BELIEVE that the NT now supports eating non kosher, the Trinity, not keeping shabbat, Festivals, etc.) After all, as far as what i have seen, this is the problem. Paul’s words, FOR MANY, many supersedes YHWH’s words as revealed in the Torah and Prophets.

bcp

We agree. Totally. You have read Maimonides and i have not.

Isn’t it odd that people would argue over the place of personal letters over Torah? or even equal to Torah?

Your final paragraph bears repeating, so as a type of penance for my gross mis reading of your FIRST (sort of) paragraph, i offer this:

From DAVID FERNANDEZ: Begin Quote:

My point (that obviously was badly misunderstood) is that I DO NOT think Peter viewed Paul’s letters in the same esteem as he did “the rest of scriptures”. I don’t believe that Peter, Paul, nor John (except maybe for the Revelation of Massiach) would have put their letters on the same playing field either. Otherwise they would be just as guilty as what we condemn the Pharisees and Rabbis doing as stated above, (if as a Christian, one WERE TO BELIEVE that the NT now supports eating non kosher, the Trinity, not keeping shabbat, Festivals, etc.) After all, as far as what i have seen, this is the problem. Paul’s words, FOR MANY, many supersedes YHWH’s words as revealed in the Torah and Prophets.

End quote.

Shalom

DAVID FERNANDEZ

“Isn’t it odd that people would argue over the place of personal letters over Torah? or even equal to Torah?”

Yes, and this is where the gavel comes down, on my part at least, when reading Paul’s LETTERS. If I come across something I don’t understand or that is in contradiction/at odds with Torah, then I leave it on the shelf until I can make sense of it……or until I run across someone who can explain it from a first century perspective 😉 (still havent figured out the darn emojis!)

bcp

I cheat on the emoji’s, as i have a Mac. I have a couple of keys i can press that gives me a huge screen of them.

Unlike Craig’s adept usage fonts. >so Jealous<

I believe that Deuteronomy 4:2 is the first place in Scripture that commands us (COMMANDS) humans to not add to nor diminish Scripture. It's repeated a couple more times, Proverbs and the gospels.

Speaking of the gospels, both Matthew and Mark reference Deuteronomy (I believe) calling into question both their reader's understanding of the Scriptures and their tendency to add to the (then standing) Scripture. This was overlooked, largely, by myself the first 20 years of my walk, but when i became aware, it became glaring. Glaring.

My concept of the NT being 'the only authorized commentary' of the OT would be that the Scriptures would be arranged much like the Stone Edition Chumash (which sat on my bookshelf for years upside down before i knew enough hebrew to figure it out).

That being the OT would be on the top of the page with footnotes and explanations from the NT being on the bottom.

Things such as condensed notes from TW, w/cultural context and grammar explanations of how the noted NT references were pinging back to these OT references and how it fit the cultural conversation.

Michael Heiser's Naked Bible does an excellent job of pointing things out. (my apologies to those who dismiss his work).

Being that i was connected to an individual who rabidly fixated on the 'speaking in tongues' as evidence of both someone's conversation and having r'cd Holy Spirit power, i found Heiser's breakdown of the story in Acts of Pentecost and how the verbiage used was a direct and clear reference to the OT story of the tower of Babel to be particularly amazing.

Ignorance is not a crime, but when my personal ignorance of what the intent of the original writer clearly was (to himself and the audience) then my ignorance borders on criminal and best and heresy at worst.

In today's society nothing screams HOLY MAN louder then the accepted heresy and traditions of man proudly trumpeted from hundreds of Facebook posts.

bcp

?????

bcp

I try not to openly agree w/anyone readily. It spoils my track record. ? Unfortunately i don’t recognize sarcasm much anymore, except when i do it, and i’m not very good at it. ?

HOWEVER, since you pointed it out (and in the absence of appropriate emoji’s), i now see my error and both apologize profusely and thank you for giving me an opportunity to demonstrate my (small) knowledge of the issue. ✍?

?< how about this for sarcasm, unfortunately i was unable to find a blink emoji. i am rather pleased that i now know how to insert ANY emoji other then my go wink ;).

So thanks again. No viable contribution to the conversation tho, i'm afraid.

Mel Sorensen

I looked on Amazon at the book Skip recommended by McDonald and it’s pretty expensive. They have another one by the same author that is more affordable titled “Formation of the Bible: The Story of the Church’s Canon”. Does anyone know if this book would have the same information as the one that was recommended? They also have one by F. F. Bruce titled “The Canon of Scripture”. Does anyone know if that book is worthwhile? Thanks!

Laurita Hayes

Look a few links down. I found a free pdf and read it.

Craig

Almost anything by Bruce is worthwhile, though he is most definitely coming from a Christian perspective. Bruce is not afraid to challenge the status quo, however. I have The Canon of Scripture, and I’d recommend it to anybody.

Mel Sorensen

Thanks Laurita and Craig. I appreciate and value your information about the books, and your perspectives and comments in the TW forum.

Craig

Thanks Mel; I appreciate that. If I can add one more: Michael J. Kruger’s The Question of Canon. He well challenges the popular notion that the NT was canonized centuries after the works called the NT were actually written. However, of course, he is well within the ‘party lines’ of Christianity.

bcp

Ahhhh, Mel…she is a gem, isn’t she? You may thank me for her presence here as i am the one that directed her to TW a few years ago and encouraged her in her postings.

We met when my life was in a profoundly different place and my mind whip sharp. Now our roles are slightly reversed (but not entirely, Laurita has always been a wordsmith and profound reader).

She encourages me with her understanding of the minds response to profound emotional trauma and the time it takes to recover from such. When i blow it in my understanding of a post she is the one that helps me pick up the pieces, accept responsibility and just move from there.

She considers herself a diehard CHRISTIAN and i’m content with the descriptor of ‘hebrew Torah follower’. My great grandparents were jewish, but became outcasts when they married outside their faith.

Oddly, i was a ‘christian believer’ when i married but became the great heretic when i found myself migrating back towards Torah alone, w/my beloved ‘commentary’ thesis.

Funny how life is.

bcp

evidently i am profoundly drawn to the word profound. #justsaying

Laurita Hayes

Bcp, you are my good and faithful friend, as you know. I love you, too.

Ester

Welcome HOME, bcp to Torah where you belong, beloved!
You are never alone, ABBA has hosts of angels watching over you.
Brachot v’ahavah!

Christine Lobel

I wanted to address my discomfort, as a lover of my Jewish friends and respect for their tradition, with Scott’s point of view, and I am not antisemitic! I read Laurita Hayes comments, below, and realized that she had, in the most respectful and insightful way, commented, at a higher level of truth, than I could have ever written. She said, in a very thoughtful and positive way, how and why she, as a Christian, was confident that Scott may have seen Scripture from a point of view that was not consistent with the truth of Scripture.