Egyptian Mythology

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.  Genesis 1:2 ESV

Waters– How incredibly difficult it is for us to read these ancient texts from the perspective of the original audience.  We constantly import theories and constructions that were developed thousands of years later, in a different culture and a different epistemology. When we encounter a commentator who does push us back to the original setting, we find his words strange, even repulsive, because they do not agree with what we have come to believe. Unfortunately, very few of us actually know why we believe what we believe about the text.  We have inherited our beliefs without examining their roots.

The opening lines of Genesis are a perfect place to begin re-thinking. Of course, we know that the original audience was the children of Israel removed from Egyptian slavery.  But perhaps we forget that 400 years of Egyptian thinking was a part of the worldview of these ex-slaves.  If you think that isn’t the case, just review the event of the golden calf (bull).  It comes straight out of Egypt.  But when we read these first few lines, we immediately divert to nineteenth-century arguments about creation versus evolution.  We begin by imagining that Genesis 1 is a semi-scientific account, a chronology of God’s creative acts.  We assume that these words fall under our definitions of event-history.

Now listen to the Jewish commentator Rashi:

“The text does not intend to teach the order of creation . .  And if you say that this verse teaches that heaven and earth were created first . .  be ashamed of yourself! [lit., be surprised at yourself].  For the waters were already in existence, as it is written, ‘And the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters.’  Since there has not yet been any reference to the creation of the waters, they must already have been in existence before the earth and heaven were created.  Clearly, then, the text does not propose to give a chronological account of creation.”[1]

Are you going to ignore his analysis because you want to assume that “heaven and earth” includes “waters”?  Ah, but he examines only the text, not our assumptions about the text.  Furthermore, Egyptian mythology considered the waters to be the primal, chaotic constituents of everything.  That’s why this verse takes pains to insure that the primal chaos of the waters is under God’s benevolent control.  In other words, this verse makes perfect sense within the framework of Egyptian cosmology. But it hardly makes sense at all without a great deal of mental gymnastics as a semi-scientific account of God’s first act.  And what about the first audience?  Were they twentieth-century astrophysicists?  Or were they ex-Egyptian slaves whose worldview was shaped by ancient cosmologies?

Now read Genesis 1 again, and this time ask yourself, “Why do the ex-slaves of Egypt need to have such a story told to them?”  Maybe you find that there is something here not subject to Big Bang theory criticism.  “Bereshit, ‘in the beginning,’ describes not the clarities of origin and cause, but the potentialities of purpose.”[2]

And what is that purpose?

“What is given at the beginning challenges man to the self-transformations that will allow him, in spite of everything, to stand in the presence of God.”[3]

 

Topical Index: waters, Egyptian cosmology, Rashi, Genesis 1:2

[1]Avivah Gottlieb Zornberg, The Beginning of Desire: Reflections on Genesis, p. 35.

[2]Avivah Gottlieb Zornberg, The Beginning of Desire: Reflections on Genesis, p. 36.

[3]Ibid., p. 36.

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Richard Gambino

Even much later in time…
For this slave it sounds like; without form and void, and in darkness, God hovers over my soul, waiting to shape it as I relinquish my grasp.

Daniel Mook

Since there are a million different possible interpretations with this verse, one cannot simply discount the possibility that Rashi is incorrect.

Laurita Hayes

It is true that God meets us all where we are at, but it is equally true that He is not limited to where we are at; neither does He leave us there, for when He does meet us, we have the opportunity to also meet Him where He is at. The creation account may start from a slave of Egypt’s perspective, but nobody – most of all Egyptians – would claim that it stayed there!

When the mixed multitude left Egypt, they were commanded to REMEMBER the Sabbath long before Sinai. By the Biblical account, the lives of the founding patriarchs overlapped the life of Shem (the mythical priest Melchizedek), whose life would have overlapped that of Methusalah, who would have “remembered” Adam quite well.

If they were expected to remember the Sabbath (an Eden institution), then they would also have remembered the creation account, too. They could not have been completely ignorant, as they had spent only part of that 400 years in Goshen, and only a relatively few of those years slaving under the pharoah “who knew not Joseph” (um, I bet that pharoah “knew” OF Joseph quite well: he was just choosing not to act like he knew the arrangement that his predecessor made with him).

The rest of the world had not completely forgotten the creation, either, as evidenced by all those corrupted accounts of it (as well as the flood) that were universally recounted. They obviously had not forgotten the practice of the sacrificing of innocent victims instituted at the gate of the Garden, either, but had been corrupted to ‘mean’ something else. I think it is not that they didn’t remember God’s dealings with the planet; they were just refusing, like the new pharoah, to acknowledge the arrangement that their predecessors were supposed to have with that God.

Just as a note of interest, “waters”, as a symbol of chaos – the chaos without God – is also used in numerous places, both Old Testament and New, to depict nations without God. (See Rev. 17:15; 13:1; Jude 13; Is. 60:5, etc.)

Theresa T

I think Israel’s identity was as a covenant people who were separated out of the sea of nations. The nations were in chaos because they worshipped false gods. Israel was to be as the sand of the sea shore where they could be planted as a tree that would grow and draw the nations by their fruitful lives. The Torah is the bait they were supposed to use to be fishers of men in the sea of chaos who could be plucked out and planted in the good and peaceful land where YHVH dwelled. When Israel didn’t follow Torah, they were thrown back into that sea and the good land was cursed.Duet 28: 62-64. I also think the waters of Genesis were meant to be a picture of the chaos and void of humanity when they do not listen to the Voice of YHVH or feel the hovering presence bringing order and a solid foundation to build a life of meaning.

Hendry

I do love the idea to always be reminded of the audience that the scriptures were written to. That is a very good platform to work from. And whenever we are taught something today. The scripture reminds us that we learn the end from the beginning! Wow! It is also confirming to us there is nothing new under the sun! I like that! Because if one has to share cosmology then we too have to agree that there is nothing new under the sun. So that is why when one hears about the word which the world best uses to a Torah less people or generation. The word “Big Bang” is accepted. One can go on and on to explain this cosmology and you will have to face the dead end:- “we learn the end from the beginning.” Wow! That is hard to do. But the awesome thing of all this is what Revelation tells us about the firmament. It will roll up like a scroll and all will see Yahuwah The Father and Yahushua, His Beloved Son, the Anointed and our Master. That will help many to be freed from those errors. Nice!

John Offutt

We read and we think and we theorize about past events of which we know very little. I enjoy reading archaeology. I have recently read that a series of pyramids have been identified in Sarajevo Bosnia. The largest is larger than the big pyramid in Egypt and is reported to be over 30,000 years old. The whole series of pyramids there are connected by underground tunnels. The pyramids are constructed of poured matrix blocks similar to concrete. The large pyramid concentrates a beam of electromagnetic energy 5 feet wide whose function is completely unknown. Beam me up Scotty.
I think BANG BANG to the big bang theory. E=MCsquared. Physicist have theorized and proved that everything is constructed of energy except for gravity. Gravity as energy had eluded proof, but they are certain it is. Their last 2 experiments along this line failed, but they continue to work on better experiments to prove gravity is energy also.

What we don’t know far exceeds what we do know.

Pieter

I agree that waters refer to chaos, the potential chaos milli-seconds after the Big Bang explosion.
The verse also makes perfect sense within the framework of the scientific account.
Unlike the uncontrolled expansion of any explosion, the expansion of the creation process was controlled.
This containment (the Spirit of God was hovering / controlling / containing) fits perfect with the understanding of “Cosmic Inflation”.

The harmony between science and scripture is astounding.

“In physical cosmology, cosmic inflation, …, is a theory of exponential expansion of space in the early universe. The inflationary epoch lasted from 10−36 seconds after the conjectured Big Bang singularity to sometime between 10−33 and 10−32 seconds after the singularity.”

Seeker

Peter. Laurita and Richard Gambino Interesting view you all offer. God hovering over the chaos of the world… or is it in our personal confussion from all the different interpretations,doctrines and authors trying to bring understanding to our minds so that we can start focussing on as Skip referenced in the previous TW ‘There is a provisional quality to the reality of the world, a rofef ambivalence about meaning, which no fearful utterance of God can shock man into crystalizing… ‘ and it is this quest of ours that actually allows God to interact with us on a personal level. When we least expect it He does not first bring order but brings light… as Job said when we understand and make a desicion God’s will guides and empowers us. But while still in our chaos we scramble around touching here then there doing nothing worthy except surviving…
As Thetesa t said Torah the lure to make sense but only when God wills, will His truth and power prevail. Keep pursuing the understanding of the differences from the spirit of light and the spirit of darkness. Darkness not the devil as this only came into effect after the creation. Unknown into known. Uncertain into certainty etc.
Am I understanding you correct here?

Pieter

Hi Seeker,
There are always (usually) 4 meanings to a passage. Speaking to the 4 parts of our minds: Slave, Man, King, Priest or Ox, Man, Lion, Eagle. We respond with sandals of shalom; belt of truth (Torah); breastplate of righteousness; helmet of salvation.
Order and Light are the same. In Genesis the phrase “it was night and it was day” (I paraphrase) means on another level: “there were chaos and then there were order”
I agree with much of your higher level interpretations.

Seeker

Pieter
Thank you for the response.
Love your paraphrasing of the armour of God.
Keep well.

Paul B

Big Bang explosion? We can’t even get first century history correct. The Big Bang is a big theory, without testable hypotheses. Therefore, it isn’t even scientific. It relies as much on faith as a creation ex nihilo.

Leslee Simler

VaYomer Elohim Yehi Ohr and BANG!

Paul B

I still haven’t found “bang” in the text.

Libby

Thanks for the video. Made me think of the Lucy episode. All those grapes and wine. I bet it was truly a fabulous day!