The Consequences

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,  Romans 3:23  NASB

Have sinned– Once upon a time in a galaxy far, far away, I was taught that it was just my nature to sin.  In fact, I couldn’t help it.  I was lost, and as a lost one, the only rescue possible was for God to give me a newheart.  The old one that I knew so well was totally corrupt. How did I know this?  Easy.  Just look at the way I behaved.  All those vows I didn’t keep.  All those sins I kept doing.  All the regrets and remorse.  If I’d been a better person, well then I wouldn’t be in this mess, would I? But I am in this mess and so that must mean that despite my desire to do the right thing, there was something about me that was just wrong.

That’s when I ran into the great Reformation doctrine of Total Depravity.  R. C. Sproul explains:

“as a result of the sin of Adam and Eve, the entire human race fell, and our nature as human beings since the fall has been influenced by the power of evil. As David declared in the Old Testament, ‘Oh, God, I was born in sin, and in sin did my mother conceive me’ (Ps. 51:5). He was not saying that it was sinful for his mother to have borne children; neither was he saying that he had done something evil by being born. Rather, he was acknowledging the human condition of fallenness—that condition that was part of the experience of his parents, a condition that he himself brought into this world. Therefore, original sin has to do with the fallen nature of mankind. The idea is that we are not sinners because we sin, but that we sin because we are sinners.”[1]

But that was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.  Things have changed.  I realize that Psalm 51 is notabout David and it isn’t about us either.  It’s poetry, a special kind of divine drama (see David Lambert, How Repentance Became Biblical: Judaism, Christianity, and the Interpretation of Scripture). And then I read about trauma and discovered this:

“We cannot survive when our identity is defined by or limited to our worst behavior. Every human must be able to view the self as complex and multidimensional.  When this fact is obscured, people will trap themselves in layers of denial in order to survive.  How can we apologize for something we are, rather than something we did?”[2]

But of course we can’t survive.  That’s precisely why the Church (Roman and Reformed) enlisted the idea of depravity to scare us into conformity—and heaven.  But I’m not saved because there’s nothing worthwhile in me at all. Total depravity suggests that there really isn’t any reason for God to do anything for us.  We’re worthless.  So, for reasons only God can know, He decides to “save” us.  In the meanwhile, while we are waiting for God to rescue us from being born sinners, we’re supposed to believe that we are defined by our worst behavior.   It’s very useful for the Church since this kind of theological terrorism will propel us into the arms of Jesus, but it’s based on a horrible idea: that I am really a piece of s__t.  

Is that what God thinks?  You know, I can’t find anything in Scripture, except maybe the misunderstood poem of David, that would suggest such a thing.  Even Paul doesn’t say that we are all sinners because we were born that way. He said we chose something; to rebel against the divine commander.  Oh, and he uses the aorist of the Greek verb hamartánō,[3]That means it’s a finished action in the past. Once upon a time we were sinners because we sinned.  Paul’s point is about guilt, not identity. We don’t need to be baptized as infants so we won’t go to hell because some mythological character named Adam screwed up.  We made choices and they have consequences, and once I realize what those consequences really are, then I know something else.  I know that“the ones who stand a chance of being saved by God [are the ones who] know they don’t stand a chance of being saved by anyone else.”[4]

Total depravity might bring people to the Church, but in the end, it’s treachery.  It declares that everything I know about me doesn’t count; that I am only the sum of all the bad stuff.  Would you ever say that to anyone you really know?  Of course not. Makes me wonder why we listened to it from the pulpit.

Topical Index:  total depravity, sin, hamartánō, Romans 3:23


[1]https://www.ligonier.org/blog/tulip-and-reformed-theology-total-depravity/

[2]H. Lerner, The dance connection: How to talk to someone when you’re mad, hurt, scared, frustrated, insulted, betrayed or desperate, Harper Collins, 2001.

[3]“The LXX with its summary use of hamartía, adikía, anomía, etc. hardly does justice to the rich and flexible Hebrew original and often misses the point, e.g., when ‘guilt’ is in view.” TDNT, Vol 1, pp 268-269.

[4]Frederick Buechner, Listening to Your Life(HarperOne, 1992), p. 115.

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Laurita Hayes

If we just “had a sinful nature” we would not want love; but we do! All of us! We fall for the lies of sin because we believe that it will bring us love. We are designed – hardwired – for love. Skip has already told us that sin is not the breaking of the law: sin is the breaking of relationship – but relationship is what we all still want! Further, we all still are trying to ‘keep the law’ and ‘do the right thing’ because none of us have a problem with understanding that things only work and we only get what we want (which is love, remember?) if we behave that way. It’s not that we WANT TO DO BAD; we do bad because we want to do good but don’t know how. We want love but we don’t know what it is, so we fall for other stuff that is positing as love. We do all the right things for all the wrong reasons. IF we really had that sinful nature, sin would make us happy, but we aren’t happy: we are shamed and miserable. Even the worst so-called psychopaths among us have to bury that knowledge under split personalities: none of us want to think that we are really bad. If we just had sinful natures, that thought would not be a problem. If we just had sinful natures, all those sermons designed to play on guilt would NOT WORK, either. Those sermons always gave me the creeps. Now I know why: they were deceitful and manipulative and hypocritical, too. I think those sermons came straight out of Greek dualism: that the body is ‘bad’: the grapes are just sour. But Aesop was a pagan, and this idea that we must not want what we cannot get (ON OUR OWN, anyway) is pagan to the core.

Guilt is about what we do: shame is about what we are. Wait: shame is about what we THINK we are. Shame is a reflection of what we think others think, too (which may or may not be the case, either). Shame is where we feel we are failing relationship: where we feel we are somehow ‘outside’. If I just had a sinful nature, shame would not be possible and that outside would be my new normal. I think fear, guilt and shame are our biggest clues that we are still hardwired in the image of God: that we still want the good stuff but just don’t know how to get it.

The entire world has some semblance of the law of relationship that it goes by: witness societal laws and norms. But compliance to all those rules is still sin, as Skip has pointed out. Why? Because obedience to all of them is still not capable of producing true relationship. I think they are sin; not because they are not trying to achieve relationship, but because they are – despite all efforts – still failing to do so. Sinful nature is about wanting the bad stuff, but I don’t think any of us really do. I think we all want the good stuff: that is the mark we are all falling short of. All of us agree that the law is good: that the grapes are desirable. We all, like the fox, at least try to get them. Without God, none of us really do, however. It is what we do with that failure, though, that determines our fate.

Are we going to declare that our natures are just bad: that we just THOUGHT the grapes were good? Or are we going to have faith that the grapes really are sweet – just like we (naturally) thought – and go looking for a better way to get them? If we really thought we were wrong about the grapes: that we didn’t really want good stuff: we would just call our wants (those grapes) “sinful nature” and go off looking elsewhere. I think the fox was too clever for his own good because, other than the desire we came with, there is no basis to establish relationship. I think the desire for love is God’s grace in the hearts of all of us, put there by His Spirit. If we deny that gift, I think we can run the danger of the sin (denial) against that Spirit. I think this (pagan) teaching is dangerous ground because if we demonize that desire as “rotten” (or “sour”), there is nothing to replace it with. The struggle gets really sad to watch from there. Witness Luther on his knees crawling up steps.

David Payant

As so often Skip, you have pealed off a sour bandaid from a festered abscess. Another pegan notion adopted by the church.
And the truth shall set you free…

Baruch

That’s what I call good news amen

Rich Pease

Long before the RCC and the Reformation, Jeremiah said:
“The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?” Jer 17:9
Then Ezekiel said: “I will give you a new heart and put
a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart
of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put
My Spirit in you and move you to follow My decrees
and be careful to keep my laws.” Ezk 36:26-27
David knew his heart’s condition and pleaded for
a change. “Create in me a pure heart, O God, and
renew a steadfast spirit within me.” Ps 51:10
Peter, like David, knew the change God had in
store: “He has given us His very great and
precious promises, so that through them
you may participate in the divine nature.” 2Pet 1:4
Yeshua had the final word: “No one can see the
kingdom of God unless they are born again.” Jn 3:3
Amen.

Judi Baldwin

Is it really that important whether we are BORN sinners or BECOME sinners. Perhaps those who missed the part about how much God loves us and the lengths He will go to in order to save us, free us, grow us, protect us, bring us closer to Him, should go back and reread the Scriptures. And, perhaps we should spend more time praying for (and less time criticizing) the churches who preach the message of total depravity but forget to mention the part about God’s love. God hears our prayers and delights in them, especially if the answers to those prayers will bring more honor and glory to Him. He is working in the hearts of many people and many churches around the world.