Assumptive Theology

They seized upon that statement, discussing with one another what rising from the dead meant. Mark 9:10 NASB

Meant – Do you find this verse a bit odd? It suggests that the disciples didn’t quite know what Yeshua was talking about when he told them to keep quiet until the Son of Man should rise from the dead. It’s noteworthy to recognize that they were not confused about the reference to the Son of Man. They were confused about rising from the dead. But haven’t we assumed that Jews in the first century believed in the resurrection of the dead? If that’s the case, then why are his disciples confused? The Greek text shows us that their confusion was deeper than a question about definitions. syzetountes estin nekron anastenai is “questioning the existence (the being of) the dead rising.” In other words, they were not confused about the meaning of Yeshua’s words. They were confused about whether or not such a thing was even possible!

That should tell us something about the theology of these disciples. They probably weren’t in the camp of the Pharisees. By the first century, the Pharisees already adopted the idea of the resurrection of the dead. But some circles of Jewish thought, particularly those associated with the more conservative view of the Torah as the Pentateuch, did not believe in resurrection. The Sadducees rejected the idea of the resurrection of the dead because it was not found in the Torah of Moses. Is this because they viewed the Torah of Moses as eternal and timeless instruction but the rest of the Tanakh as conditionally dependent on historical circumstances? Notice that non-canonical books include the idea of resurrection of the dead, and these books were recognized in the first century BCE, but that did not change the opinion of the Sadducees.

We see this great conflict in the life and trials of Paul. Here we have some of Yeshua’s disciples questioning the same idea. Can a man rise from the dead? Is it even possible? Now perhaps we can appreciate the utter despair of the disciples when Yeshua is crucified. If they didn’t believe resurrection was possible, what reason would they have to hope for his return from the grave?

We could skip over this little lesson, ignoring the implications about the disciples’ thought, and simply declare that since Yeshua spoke of his resurrection, they should have believed it just as we do. But that would mean we would have to ignore the sitz im leben of the first century disciples. We would read the text from our perspective, with perfect hindsight, not acknowledging that the disciples were products of their age and culture. In other words, we would completely overlook the emotional impact on the disciples when they heard things they didn’t think were possible. As a result, we wouldn’t see these men as they really were—followers of a champion of their own making. They had a lot to learn. So do we.

One of the most important tasks in biblical interpretation is to get inside the heads of those who were there. This usually means putting aside a lot of our assumptions, often hidden to us because they have been so much a part of our own biblical training. But real connection with the events of Scripture means trying, as best we can, to be part of the experience when it happened. The effort is to rewrite the text for ourselves by becoming actors in the story instead of observers from another time. These real men and women struggled to understand things we take for granted. Maybe we’re the ones who need a bit more confusion.

Topical Index: exegesis, resurrection, confusion, meant, Mark 9:10

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Brett Weiner B.B.( brother Brett)

Hello skip, to help me get this mindset could you help me clear up Genesis 22.5 Abraham speaks to his servants and says you wait here the lad and I will return.. our discussion today makes Abraham’s faith even stronger. Leaving out the New Testament commentary.

George Kraemer

If the apostles were of the Pharisee party and yet still exposed regularly to the opinions of the Saducees compounded by Lazarus who was no doubt still amongst their followers, I think their confusion would largely be confined to the apostles other than Peter James and John who had already seen the transfiguration. The other question would be one of timeing, rather than the fact of the matter. After all, they knew something had happened, Yeshua was gone, but where exactly was he? When would they see Yeshua again in the general resurrection?

Brett Weiner B.B.( brother Brett)

Well said George I thought you would bring in Acts chapter 4 where they were before the Sanhedrin preaching on the resurrection and healing a lame man they asked by what power did you do this to summarize the stone that the builders rejected has now become the Capstone . Later in the chapter they rejoiced because they did not dishonor the name.

Jerry

I think it may be understood that they were not questioning the meaning of resurrection, itself, but of His resurrection, in particular, because they were questioning the implication of His resurrection, that of His dying, and that is why He answered their question as He did in speaking of both Elijah’s and His sufferings:

Mar 9:11-13 And they questioned Him, saying, “Why do the Torah scholars say that Elijah must come first?”
Now He told them, “Indeed Elijah comes first; he restores all things. And how is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be treated with contempt? I tell you that Elijah has come, and they did to him whatever they wanted, just as it is written about him.”

I think they were grappling now with what they were not expecting would happen to the One they had chosen to follow, that He would die and then possibly be resurrected while they were living.

Laurita Hayes

That, Jerry, fits more with the general expectation that Messiah would fulfill the prophecies concerning His Second Coming along with His First. No where in the Tanakh have I been able to find the two, both prophesied, as separate from each other. How would they have possibly guessed that the kingdom of power would be a whole other Coming? They were, likewise, I think, totally unprepared for the Suffering Servant and the bleeding Lamb, even though they had those recorded visions also. The popular teaching of the day (deliverance from the Romans) would not allow both, so people picked what they wanted. Today, we still do. We don’t seem to want His Second Coming in power: we want His First Coming in peace. Seems we would learn…

Brett Weiner B.B.( brother Brett)

I do not have a( tannak) spelling questionable. But I do remember reading that the suffering servant and the triumphant King work one in the same person.

Dana

Hi Skip, with the multiple of Christian denominations and those within Judaism, and now here talking about the differences of thought between Pharisees and Sadducees, where do you fall in your Hebrew understanding? How conservative are you with Torah? I know you bring up Torah as our guide, but what does that mean for us followers of Yeshua today – what’s conservative what’s liberal, where do we fit? Which view do we take? I’ve read some Messianic Jewish material and they are different. Some say Yeshua is the Messiah, others say He is God. Where do we go with all of this?

Seeker

Can anyone say they believe in the resurrection without witnessing that it is possible… Blind faith or hope is one thing as it is based on shared experience… Belief on the other hand is like perception based and founded on evidence and or previous experience. Who today has witnessed the resurrection of anyone from death. Not CPR as I know of a lot of people who came around a few hours after a massive heart attack without medical intervention. Let’s talk of Lazarus possibility days past, body starting to decompose as there is a stench… Raised from the dead. Has anyone on this forum witnessed this extreme? This is what Jesus was telling the disciples so ye they knew it was possible do we or are we trusting on the evidence documented around some 50 years after the event… This could also be allegorical language as Paul explains in his teaching so while only referring to the resurrection of Jesus that is important to save… Was it literal resurrection or allegoric resurrection as Paul explains in most of his letters…
If the disciples were present when Lazarus was raised from the dead they surely would not question this possibility. I have to agree that this was more of an issue of concern that if this was the messiah why must he die to be reborn to save was it not the reason for the messiah that he would save period…