Chronicles Clean-up
But the Arameans fled before Israel, and David killed 700 charioteers of the Arameans and 40,000 horsemen and struck down Shobach the commander of their army, and he died there. 2 Samuel 10:18 NASB
700 – I recently gave a lecture on the stories of David and Solomon. In the course of that lecture, I talked about the difference between biblical history and our contemporary idea of history. The difference is basically this: history written in ancient times was far less concerned about recording the accuracy of event chronology and factual details than it was about communicating a message to the intended audience. This is everywhere obvious in the ancient literature of the Middle East. In fact, it is commonly understood that exaggeration, rearrangement and very selective organization of events and characters is the modus operandi of ancient “historical” texts. Modern history takes a different approach, claiming (whether it is true or not) to accurately represent the “facts” in their chronological order and true details. For example, a rough calculation of the amount of gold Solomon accumulated during his reign yields the number (in today’s value) of $37 trillion. Yes, that’s right. Trillion! This appears to be a staggering number. That number exceeds calculations of all gold ever mined in the history of human beings.[1] Something seems funny about the biblical account.
Of course, biblical conservatives have a number of (circular?) arguments justifying exaggerations like this[2], but the problems with historical accuracy are exacerbated when the issues are within the biblical text itself. This verse from Samuel is an illustration. Compare it to the same account in Chronicles. In 1 Chronicles 19:18 David kills 7000 charioteers, not 700. Which account is historical?
You might object that this is just a scribal error, but read this article and you will discover, as the author suggests, that the pattern of revisionist history is typical of Chronicles, not just with details but with broad character descriptions (e.g., cleaning up the idolatry of Solomon). Something far more interesting than “copyist mistakes” is happening here.
The real problem is not with the text. It is with us, the readers. We have a definition of history that is not the same as the authors of Scripture. They have political, moral and spiritual agendas that they write into the stories. Consequently, the stories are shaped to fit these purposes and modified to meet the needs of the ancient audiences. We, on the other hand, come to the text as if it is supposed to be a factually accurate account of what happened, right down to the details. When we discover that it doesn’t meet this criterion, we engage in linguistic gymnastics in order to explain (or explain away) the discrepancy. But this technique is based on two faulty assumptions. First, it assumes that the authors of the Bible take the same view of the recording process that we do, and second, perhaps more importantly, we hold on to a version of divine inspiration that prevents us from accepting the common practices of ancient writers. In other words, we think that because the text is inspired, it must report according to our definition of truth. We view history based on doctrine rather than form doctrine based on history.
The result is a rigidity that defies real academic examination. The result is an inability to appreciate what the original author wrote and the original audience understood. The result is that claims about the Bible appear absolutely foolish to the intellectual community. And for what end? Because we are wedded to the certainty of the book rather than to the faithfulness of the relationship.
Topical Index: 2 Samuel 10:18, 1 Chronicles 19:18, history, inspiration
[1] http://onlygold.com/Info/All-The-Gold-In-The-World.asp
[2] e.g., Philip Ryken’s justification that the amount of gold in the biblical story must be true because it’s in line with other ancient texts. But if exaggeration is common in the ancient world, why should we hold the Bible’s view is accurate? See Ryken, Solomon, p. 159.
Michael Heiser makes a similar argument in one of his Naked Bible Podcasts. The one on the genre of military history. It’s an excellent series.
I am still grateful to Pam Wingo for turning me on to Heiser. Thank you, Pam! I will go find the one you mentioned, John. Thank you, too.
You know; the more I look at dialectics, the more they look like funny things. It’s like trying to walk across a creek on a log: as long as you stay on top, you will make it across, but swing to either side, and you are sure to fall off.
The obvious danger I see in swinging away from literal interpretation (one side of the log that gnosticism has engrained in us) is to conclude that we can count on NOTHING in the text to be ‘true’ which I think corresponds to the other side of the log. If we conclude that, I think we could still be caught in the bipolar swing of the dialectic, which, if it doesn’t catch you on the first swing, it can get you on the rebound.
Pilate asked “what is truth?”. Well, it probably is not going to merely be the OPPOSITE of what we (wrongly) were thinking before. That would be the seduction of the dialectic, which I think we have been thoroughly trained in. Truth is going to be whatever gets us all the way across the log to the other side of the CREEK without getting wet. If we get hung up on which side of the LOG we are ‘supposed’ to be on, however, we are sure to get wet.
I think if we go back to Pilate’s question and start over; ignoring the extremes we were handed last time and seeking what the log really represents (which, if I read Skip rightly, would be about relationship; not cognitive exactitude or certitude), then perhaps we would actually end up on the other bank.
I think that truth does not ignore the facts; it includes them as a subset of itself, but it does not START from them. I think the Bible is the single most accurate historical text ever written, but I don’t think its accuracy is going to be able to be judged by what the world has set up as the standard of what accuracy (the facts) is. That would merely be the other side of the log.
In other words, I believe facts are a result of truth, not the CAUSE of it. We are trained to conclude truth from the facts, but the Bible I think is written where we can conclude the facts from the truth. Facts are a derivative of truth: not its definition or its cause. Truth is something we must take on faith, for what we think of as ‘evidence’ all lies downstream of reality; the reality where faith in the truth resides. We don’t conclude truth from the evidence: we conclude the evidence according to whatever ‘truth’ we are currently putting our faith in. Skip keeps saying this over and over. This is the power of the paradigm.
The form of ‘facts’ we are taught to base our faith (function in reality) on is exactly backwards as to how reality actually works. To the extent our religious systems are based on this Greek-to-the-core principle is the extent that they have lost the power of salvation in present reality, thus leaving us the poor dregs of hope for pie-in-the-sky-by-and-by, because the stuff sure does not work well in the present. Incidentally, I think this may perhaps be a large part of the source of the “derision in the land of Egypt” (Hosea 7:16b) we are currently enjoying, too.
Thanks, Laurita! You saved me from having to try to put into words, my thoughts on this, better than you did.
I’ll just add. I think it’s not only dangerous but also erroneous to conclude that the text is made up or somehow untrue. Certainly, there are difficulties we aren’t able to come to grips with for a multitude of reasons, or even scribal errors over the years. But I absolutely do not for a second believe the text is made up or untrue. And certainly, that is the case in its original manuscript.
I also think it’s probably unproductive to teach an entire lecture on such a topic as well. There is just far too many more valuable and needed guidance and wisdoms in our book of instructions that would probably serve us more to learn.
I don’t understand a lecture on this subject is unproductive.We should spend time on more valuable wisdom and guidance. Skip brought it up and Michael Hauser adds more depth to it. Pretty broad stroke comment Mark on what you think people should hear or need to hear.
But the problem is not about “made up or untrue.” The problem is that WE have a different idea of historical truth than the authors of the text and when we apply our definition, all kinds of crazy things happen. The authors didn’t “make up” the history. They reported what they considered proper WITHIN THEIR AGENDAS. No one objected because everyone knew that the history wasn’t about the chronology of events, it was about the MESSAGE in the meaning of the events. We, on the other hand, somehow think that history is NEUTRAL, a mere recounting of events. But that is not the case even in contemporary history. For example, what is the proper historical account of the holocaust? I think most of our discomfort is that we can’t imagine history WITHOUT accuracy of facts, so our paradigm is threatened when history without accuracy of facts occurs, and then, because it happens in the BIBLE, we go to all kinds of lengths to try to prove the Bible must be like our definition or it can’t be TRUE. You see, I hope, how circular the argument is.
So, which parts are certainly true/accurate and which parts are possible or maybe? Should we assume that the prophets were giving us a prophecy based on their paradigms and agendas or should we count on it having come from Adonai with the exact representation He wanted to be given?
I’m banking that their agendas were what the Creator of heaven and earth wanted them to record. And I’m also counting on the surety that I can trust in, believe in and know that what He has given to us via His servants, is accurate, and isn’t going to be proven to be an embellishment or exaggeration.
I guess I’m just one of those guys that take Him at His word and trust that it’s been recorded and delivered correctly.
Sad truth about doctrine defining truth. One reason forgo many denominations.
The tough job that faces God’s Word, is the reader’s state of being.
Without a true degree of self-willed surrendering to God as Lord and Master,
one is largely left to his/her own devices to ferret things out. Then “truth” becomes
whatever you “think” it is. Careful.
“No one can serve two masters.”
“There is one body and one Spirit — just as you were called to one hope when you
were called — one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all
and through all and in all.” Eph 4:4-6
Too true (sic).
Unfortunately, I think ‘facts’ suffer the same fate as “truth” for the same reason. Human reason is not supreme.
The link to awitness.org above now refers one to a page replete with grisly photos of
severed heads and worse.
Sorry. WORNG LINK. I have corrected it. Don’t have any idea how that link got there. The proper one is
http://place.asburyseminary.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1204&context=asburyjournal
No problem… Ooooh this looks juicy!
APOLOGIES! Something happened. I don’t know what. I actually have never been on the site. Maybe spell correction of something. Anyway, I fixed it. Thanks for alerting me.
….and a very long diatribe against Islam as represented mostly by ISIS. Hmmm. Is this what you intended Skip?
Nope. As you see, the link was the wrong one. I think I was the victim of autocorrect of something. Anyway, I have corrected the link and posted it. It is also in the comments section.
Just wondering…
I would be interested in hearing his lecture. I don’t think he is saying scripture is not true or reliable.
Is it possible to record events in a totally objective and culturally neutral manner? Has recording history ever been a discipline void of ideologies and world views?
The authors of scripture do not always depict history in a “literal” way. But that does not threaten the inerrancy of Scripture. I found this article helpful in explaining the literary style; how the “revisions” (reporting history differently) serves the goal of the authors in ways that were totally acceptable within their culture.
Copy and paste this, with the quotation marks, into into Google search engine and the article should be at the top of the list.
“The Problem with Literalism: The Books of Chronicles (1)”
Thank you, Tanya! This is a very good article.
When these “differences” are put into the proper “context” and perspective they require and deserve, then it becomes an excellent and productive conversation.
On the other hand, when these differences, which actually come down to “theological history” versus “historical chronological accuracy” like those articles so clearly point out, are painted with such a narrow and limited overview, they become like arrows to the massive amount of people that need, and should be given, a little more love and compassion before we start shooting them with said arrows.
I read most of the articles you’ve presented and will finish them when I have more time. They very accurately layout and explain, for the common reader, exactly what is going on with some of these differences. It’s next to impossible to give such an explanation in 5 short paragraphs. And thereby becomes my issue with how this was done here.
See, I look at the numbers because that’s what I do. The numbers say that there are 15,000 new people coming here each and every month. Not to bore people with the details but there are 100’s of reasons why and how that happens. Nonetheless, they are coming. But, they aren’t staying. That should give us cause for a pause and consider why that might be. Or I guess we should first ask ourselves if we even care. Once we determine that, maybe we can proceed with my reasoning for objecting to what’s being presented with a blog post such as this one.
Disclaimer: Please know this though, before we engage in my reasoning, I love this man Skip Moen and respect him very much. My objections above are in no way a conflict with who and how I know him to be. Which isn’t based on just a blog site interaction. I know him and his heart personally, have broken bread with him, know and interact with his amazing children and have had many hours of face to face and phone conversations. Just sayin…