The Third Heaven
I know a man in Christ, who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:2 NASB
Out of body – This strange verse (and the following two verses) needs some serious examination. A host of questions arise: Is there such a thing as a “third heaven”? Does this verse support the idea of out of body experiences? Who was this man? When we look at the extended passage in the next two verses we have more questions: How can someone hear “inexpressible” words? Who told this man that he wasn’t allowed to speak them? Why?
The whole context is a perplexing aside. Paul is writing to the Corinthians with the intention of reprimanding them and instructing them to replace chaos with proper order in their assembly. In the process, he speaks about boasting. We tend to think of boasting as a negative trait, but Paul is probably not using the Greek sense of the term. His background is likely the Hebrew verb śāmaḥ, which means to rejoice (cf. Psalm 5:11) or its equivalent rānan (also Psalm 5:11). Both are positive expressions of jubilation. Thus, Paul can write, “Boasting is necessary,” and not mean anything diminishing (2 Corinthians 12:1). But he wishes to show that even though jubilation is needed and justified, it isn’t symphérō; “profitable” but not in a financial sense. symphérō means “of benefit to the assembly,” that is, “communal enhancement.” With this in mind, he relates an incident that occurred fourteen years earlier. His point is that even this “miraculous” experience does not qualify as something beneficial for the community, and therefore, cannot be used to raise the status of the one who experienced it above those “regular” members. So, perhaps we’ve uncovered the motivation, but that still leaves us with the questions about the veracity of this experience.
I think we need Abraham Heschel’s insight into mysticism before we can proceed. Heschel “reformulates the idea that mysticism is often related to a dissatisfaction with the world as it is. . . [by focusing] on a particular issue in religious mysticism, [that is] the quest for a visual experience of God.” He examines “the nature of—and the dangers inherent in—this quest . . .”[1]
Does this help us deal with Paul’s obscure references? Many Christian commentators suggest that Paul’s “third heaven” is simply a reference to the “non-physical dwelling place of God,” as opposed to the first and second heavens of the created order. Some even go so far as to suggest that Paul is employing a disguised reference to the Trinity. But these anachronistic explanations miss the fact that ancient Jewish mysticism included the idea of multiple heavens (as many as 365, but typically 7). The idea was also popular among Gnostics following Plotinus who posited multiple heavens of demi-gods. The Talmud suggests multiple heavens sometimes connected to the Book of Enoch which we know was in use during the first century. Paul’s doctrinal views were influenced by Talmudic thinking, and as such he could have adopted this multi-heaven idea.
What can we say about “out-of-body” experiences? Religious literature recounts such experiences over the course of thousands of years. Modern psychological studies also document reports of such experiences. Recently, Susan Blackmore has written about certain brain functions that can produce these experiences.[2] Often dismissed as “Satanic” or “evil,” we must now consider the possibility that neural circumstances could affect brain patterns producing these sensations involuntarily. Blackmore draws an important conclusion: “Yet, realistically, it is far better to understand the truth about the experience than to cling to the unworkable dualist notion of a soul or spirit that leaves the body.”[3] Perhaps what we have in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians is a personal description of such an experience, a neural/brain interaction, not a body/soul dichotomy. This would be far more in line with the Hebraic idea of embodiment, that is, the fully-integrated person as opposed to the common Greek partition.
However, the most intriguing part of Paul’s recollection is the last piece, the statement in verse 4: “. . . was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.” This is truly perplexing. If the words were inexpressible, why would such a man be commanded not to speak them? By definition, inexpressible words are unutterable. The translation here is the culprit. The Greek term used is arrhētŏs, a combination of the negative prefix and the word rhētōs, that is, “something not spoken.” But clearly Paul cannot mean something silent! He must mean something uttered but commanded to not be spoken again. In other words, secrets! “Inexpressible” may be the literal meaning of the Greek, but it makes no sense. “Uttered with the intention of not being repeated” is the only way to understand such a phrase. arrhētŏs must be “not uttered” because of its purposed outcome.
We haven’t examined Paul’s use of parádeisos (translated Paradise) but a moment’s look at that term in late Judaism would reveal that this loan word (from Persian) is applied to the idea of a return to the original paradisiacal Garden, now hidden but nevertheless real. It was considered the resting place of the righteous dead. If this is what Paul meant, his idea is comfortably at home in Jewish rabbinic thought.
Paul’s “rapture” experience leaves us with perhaps more questions than answers. Certainly it pushes the boundaries of our comfortable limits in the sensory world. Whatever Paul meant, whether a personal experience or a remembered recounting, he spends no time elaborating because his point is not the existence of ecstatic visions but rather the uselessness of such experiences for the edification of the larger community.
Topical Index: arrhētŏs, inexpressible, out-of-body, third heaven, Paradise, 2 Corinthians 12:2
[1] Gordon Tucker (editor), in Abraham Heschel, Heavenly Torah: As Refracted through the Generations (Continuum, 2007), p. 299.
[2] https://engelsbergideas.com/essays/explaining-out-of-body-experiences/
[3] Ibid.




“Perhaps what we have in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians is a personal description of such an experience, a neural/brain interaction, not a body/soul dichotomy. This would be far more in line with the Hebraic idea of embodiment, that is, the fully-integrated person as opposed to the common Greek partition.”
Yes… “the fully integrated person…“; and not a body/soul dichotomy… (not even a soul/spirit dichotomy)… as opposed to the common Greek partition. (Gotta get that divided framing of persons out of my life!)
Moreover, Paul “spends no time elaborating because his point is not the existence of ecstatic visions but rather the uselessness of such experiences for the edification of the larger community.” Amen… and emet.
Thank you, Skip, for providing this improvement of our understanding… fit for and complying with our approval in godliness for the sake of righteousness.
Hello Skip…please bear with a hopefully short story…had a physics teacher in high school…drove me nuts! But he was one of the best teachers I’ve ever had. He would ask a question, and if you said “I think the answer is this or that”, he would not say, “correct” or “you’re right” or “you’re wrong.”. He would just look at you until in exasperation you would say “am I right?” and he would then say to you “I don’t know what do you think?”. And he would pose the same question to the class. He was trying to get us to think for ourselves critically, instead of relying on others to tell us the answers all the time. He drove me nuts, but in the end I really liked him, because I realized what he was trying to do. His name was Mr. Price.
You are my theological psychological Mr. Price! I’m confused. Read the Blackmore article. Why are we looking to science to explain some of the mysteries of the scriptures. Haven’t read a ton of Heschel yet, but he seems to be pointing us away from relying on the certainty of science. “The most incomprehensible fact is that we comprehend at all.” And, “The beginning of our happiness lies in the understanding that life without wonder is not living. What we lack is not a will to believe but a will to wonder.” Those two quotes are from “God in Search of Man”, pages 47 and 46 respectively.
Besides many examples from the scriptures like references of individuals “being gathered to their ancestors”, Elijah being whisked away in a chariot of fire, the Israelite elders sitting with God on Mt. Sinai, Paul’s visit to the third heaven or John’s vision, and many others of course, Blackmore’s article seems to take all the wonder and mystery out of such stories. I have instances in my own family of “OBE’s” (why must we always reduce everything to a three letter acronym?!). My grandmother while passing said she could see my grandfather and other relatives waiting for her, including my son who though conceived never saw the light of day, that she was never told about. My mother also had the experience of being drawn to the light and experiencing the presence and communication of a very bright warm light, that communicated it seems to me telepathically and then sent her back, when she almost completely bled out in child birth.
These stories and others have been the real reason why I have “kept going”, even though I’ve been through several scandalous church leadership failures, failed over and over myself, and haven’t given up and just quit. I have several such experiences my self with God and with dark spirits that seemed present and physically touched me.
Feels very vulnerable to put this out there. Perhaps I shouldn’t have. But you’ve both had and pointed to great answers I’ve been looking for a long time. God bless. Sorry this is long I am aware brevity is a challenge for me.
Thank you! So much of human experience that we DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I a reminded of a book from South Africa about experiences passed through generations by some sort of epigenetics. Can’t remember the title at the moment, but I will and will tell you. Also Jung – in the same frame of reference. I don’t think it takes the wonder out at all. I think it underlines the amazing intricacy of who we are – individually and collectively
Thanks Skip I look forward to learning what book you’re reverencing. I read my original message several times before sending it but reading it again now it sounds like I have a negative bias towards science. I don’t as long as it’s held in theory state until proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Felt like Isaac Newton’s statement that he felt he was “tracing out the finger of God” as I remember it was an apt description of science for a person of faith, and that the two were not opposed at all. I never felt like the Blackmore article turned the corner to faith. Perhaps I need as second read. Thanks again!
It doesn’t surprise me that God installed his own black box in the human brain, nor am I surprised that he allows illegal access to the box,(we never lost our taste for the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil), usually to our own detriment, by psychedelics like mescaline and psilocybin and by drugs like LySergic acid Diethylamide. When the Father is in control it is a portal of instruction (including dreams),and maybe a glimpse of higher things like the visions of Ezekiel, Paul, Peter or John. It doesn’t mean we are dual nature, but it could be a glimpse of what will be when we are “reassembled” at the 2nd coming.
Similar to my view of staying within God’s hedge, when you disobey His rules you leave the safety of His boundaries and place yourself in danger from all sorts of beings, flesh and blood and otherwise. God can/will safely take you in those other regions/dimensions for His purposes. If you try to go to those places on your own…watch out 😳.
Hey Tim! I don’t know how long this response was sitting out here but I was just able to see it. I’ve been having trouble logging in to comment.
I was told as a small boy that there were ancestors in our family who practiced black magic. The dark spiritual experiences I had as a boy were not sought out (I’m not defending myself here just clarifying the nature of the experience). They just happened to me at a time when I had not willfully strayed into such activity. My understanding, loosely held, is that if one’s family members open such a door, it is open in your life as well, whether it was willfully asked for or not. I’m not referencing generational curses, but the understanding that when others choose darkness, the innocent also many times experience the consequences. Those experiences left no doubt in my mind that there was and are, malevolent, very deeply resentful entities that are very real. Quite frankly, it scared the hell out of me. I’ve come to view those experiences as a grace disguised. I wanted to get as far away from that kind of presence as I could.
God countered those dark experiences over time with many spiritual and mystical experiences that I remember as bread crumbs. They were unforgettable revelations that pointed me to The Way. I mention this only because many corners of the believing community relegate mystical experiences to “crazy charismaticism”. I certainly experienced that in my first church after turning to the Lord. It was hyper-charismatic. But the experiences I had that were personal and as you suggest not sought after rooted me in trust, and kept me in the way through very much difficulty and disillusionment. It was undeniable that the invisible was very real.
I agree 100% with you that searching for such experiences in a focused way is not helpful. But I wouldn’t want anyone who’s had them spontaneously, if you will, to feel dismissed. Those kinds of experiences are all over the scriptures, and there’s nothing “reasonable” or logical about believing that an invisible being spoke all that we take in with our five senses into being!
God Bless!
Hello Kent, my reply had only been up a few days when you saw it and it was a comment directed towards the neural/brain interaction that Skip referred to and not at all meant to explain or dismiss anything said in your comment. I am grammatically challenged most of the time and too often use “you” in place of “a person” so it sounds like I am being critical so I apologize for that. In fact, I’m right with you on those “experiences” as I attended charismatic churches in the 80’s and beyond and both my wife and I encountered unexplainable supernatural events.
I agree that some would try to pit science against God and explain away the supernatural, however, since science is mostly observing and categorizing, I see it as examining and opening up the wonders of God.
I agree with you that your ancestors opened up a door that was not meant to be opened and subjected their descendants to the consequences. I think God visited (attended,gave oversight to) all of the consequences thus providing a way out (which apparently worked in your case 💪). In my opinion, all of the other “visions” “second-sights” “encounters” that we have are God working his will in us towards His own purpose. Getting back to the original premise, I imagine they all involve that neural/brain/body/soul connection somehow. (I was just reminded of when Elijah? asked God to open his servants eyes so he could “see” the myriad of angels ready for battle).
Sorry, I’m rambling. Prince Hamlet speaks directly to me in this, “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are contained in your (my) philosophy.”
I most appreciate having this dialog with you, a like-minded brother in the TW assembly. It encourages me.
BTW, nice song by Becker. One of my favorite songs ever is her “Who Am I, Jesus”.
“I most appreciate having this dialog with you, a like-minded brother in the TW assembly. It encourages me.”
Thank you Tim, I feel exactly the same way. Haven’t heard “Who Am I, Jesus” in a while I’ll have to look that up. One of my other favorites from her is “Moment of Choice”. If you listen with a good set of ear buds or head phones, the background sounds are clearly a reference to The Garden. Just a beautiful song…
This song I think captures what I was trying to say beautifully…
https://youtu.be/_mUSugBHQCM?si=kRUBFh7IitvG6q7v