Boundary Lines

Where is this, the way light dwells; and where is the place of darkness? Job 38:19 (Hebrew text)

Place – The documentary extolled the work of volunteers in an orphanage in Haiti.  A teacher held up the coloring book page of a three-year-old.  “Last year when Alicia arrived, she could only color like this.”  The page represented an outline of a family.  Across the entire page were swatches of purple and yellow.  “But now, look at her progress.”  The teacher held up a second page.  The colors were neatly encased within the lines.  “This is real progress,” beamed the teacher.   She was right.  It was progress in conformity to the Greek-based view of the world.

Consider a coloring book.  On the pages, we teach children that objects are created by imaginary lines that must be filled in to give them substance.  Those lines represent boundaries between the “form” of an object and the rest of the world.  But the real world isn’t like this at all.  There are no outlines around trees or boundary lines around faces.  Objects are not preconceived empty spaces that require extra content.  Go look at a real tree.  Where is the “line” that separates the tree from the root or the leaf?  Where is the line that separates the trunk seen from this angle versus the trunk seen from another angle.  Look at a face.  Where is the border that separates eye from socket, nose from cheek, hairline from forehead?  The “boundary” isn’t a line.  It is a movement from one place to another where the boundary is part of both, just as the shore is the boundary of the sea and vise versa with both mixed together.

If this is so obvious to any observer, why do we insist on a world made up of imaginary lines of separation?  The answer is this:  Greek metaphysics is based on geometry and geometry is the mathematics of particular shapes.  When we see the world through these eyes, we impose artificial boundary shapes on reality.  When Job asks where is the place of darkness, he is not asking us to point to a line that distinguishes light from dark.  The place of darkness is already dark.  It is not a line drawn across the sky.  It is the observable reality of somewhere without light.

So you say, why does this matter?  Who cares if we add artificial lines to our view of the world?  Does it really make any difference?  Without lines, who is black and who is white?  Without lines, who is saved and who is lost?  Without lines, what is belief and what is unbelief?  Without lines, who is Israel and who isn’t?  Does this mean there aren’t any differences?  Of course not.  Anyone can see that black is not white.  But where is the line?  Ah, that’s not so easy to see, is it?  When does a man move from “lost” to “saved” if the Hebrew worldview doesn’t contain artificial lines?  Does a man cross from lost to saved when he declares he believes?  Or is it a matter of observable change seen from many angles over some period of time?  Is belief a matter of crossing a “line in the sand” or is it something that reveals itself over a lifetime of behavior?  Where is the line between trust and doubt?  Am I still a follower of the King if I trust Him today but fall victim to doubt tomorrow?  Is it a line or a process?

What happens to our neatly packaged view of reality if we erase all those artificial lines?  Would life become more like a verb – a movement, a process of becoming?  Would we act differently, talk differently, think differently if we didn’t see the world as boxes that need to be filled?  What if we saw the world as life in constant motion, always interacting?  Would we think about God differently if we looked carefully at the real world and noticed that His actions and our actions are all mixed up together in common purpose?  What would your faith be like if the “boundaries” were really messy?

Topical Index:  line, darkness, boxes, Job 38:19

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Frank Lengel

Oh, Skip! I dearly loved this devotional. As you know, among my various life activities, I am a cartoonist. And to me, everything is a line. So your devotion is especially important in my life.

I laugh. I have a humorous spirit within me. And my humor would be impossible without “the lines” of life. The irony is that humor is very often the result of a subtle distortion of the truth. Twist truth a little … jab at it … and you have humor. And I cannot do these subtle distortions without the lines of life.

So there you have it. The lines distort the truth. Because of the way God allows me to use these lines, that is not such a bad thing. But distortion can be the very tool that brings a man or woman to the gates of hell if we are not careful. So I thank you for this great message today, my friend.

Be blessed — and have a day full of love and humor!

carl roberts

First brother Skip- I would like to ask, for you not to “forget” the purpose of your mission. “Feed my sheep.” In your rush to “commentary” and “conclusions”, we are missing something today- and that is the Hebrew-to-English “translation/transliteration” of “place.” – Does this really matter? (Yes, absolutely.)
Nothing personal or meant “to point”, but we need to know the word(s) of YHWH. “place”-Job 38.19
Since G-d is a G-d of order- “a place for everything, and everything in it’s place” is the order of the day! lol!- “structured existence.”
This is G-d speaking to Job. Job is questioning G-d and now- G-d speaks to Job out of the storm. (are you sure you want to hear from G-d?). Sometimes- it takes a storm. These are the lyrics from Fernando Ortega- “Storm.” (The “dark night of the soul?”)

Sometimes it takes a storm
To really know the light
The scent of rain
The weight of clouds
Pulling down the sky
Sometimes it takes a storm
To know how you feel
To understand indigo
And the varnished sun
Lighting up the fields

It takes the rain between the lines to know what sorrow finds
The way a cloud divides sometimes
The clearing and the blue
I love you
I was just passing through
And taken by surprise
Between the black sky
And the blue
Between the black sky and the blue
I love you
I love you.

There is a place of quiet rest-(near to the heart of G-d). A place where sin cannot molest- (near to the heart of G-d). All that is necessary to scatter the darkness- is to turn to the Light.

Out of my bondage, sorrow, and night,
Jesus, I come, Jesus, I come;
Into Thy freedom, gladness, and light,
Jesus, I come to Thee;
Out of my sickness, into Thy health,
Out of my want and into Thy wealth,
Out of my sin and into Thyself,
Jesus, I come to Thee.

Out of my shameful failure and loss,
Jesus, I come, Jesus, I come;
Into the glorious gain of Thy cross,
Jesus, I come to Thee.
Out of earth’s sorrows into Thy balm,
Out of life’s storms and into Thy calm,
Out of distress to jubilant psalm,
Jesus, I come to Thee.

Out of unrest and arrogant pride,
Jesus, I come, Jesus, I come;
Into Thy blessèd will to abide,
Jesus, I come to Thee.
Out of myself to dwell in Thy love,
Out of despair into raptures above,
Upward for aye on wings like a dove,
Jesus, I come to Thee.

Out of the fear and dread of the tomb,
Jesus, I come, Jesus, I come;
Into the joy and light of Thy throne,
Jesus, I come to Thee.
Out of the depths of ruin untold,
Into the peace of Thy sheltering fold,
Ever Thy glorious face to behold,
Jesus, I come to Thee.

Therefore, if anyone is in the Messiah, he is a new creation. Old things have disappeared, and-look!-all things have become new! (2 Corinthians 5.17) “Behold, I make all things new.” (Revelation 21:5).

Carol Mattice

Beautiful poem or song above. I do have a question for you Carl. If you could please help me concerning the two witnessess in Revelation. There is so much error going on out there and I am getting the insults as being a heretic. Got that before but it seems like it is coming again. I guess it goes for the territory that I have chosen to live in: Abiding in Him. Anyway, what do you believe the two witnesses are ? And why? I really would appreciate this being answered. I have come to the conclusion that it is Moses /Prophets and the Law. I can be corrected with scripture.

carl roberts

I do not know for sure who these two witnesses are. We are (purposefully?) not given their names. I have my “leanings” but I do not have any “assured knowledge.” I (personally) lean toward Moses and Elijah, but that is only conjecture and not based on any “special revelation.” Carol, I would be interested to hear why you have come to the conclusion that it is Moses/Prophets and the Law. (What saith the scripture?)

david

http://endtimepilgrim.org/twowit.htm

Check this out. The true identity of God’s 2 witnesses!!!

Amanda Youngblood

This reminds me of the verbal continuums that you’ve talked about before… where sitting is on the same continuum with rising – it’s a process. This is a hard concept to wrap my mind around, especially having been steeped in Greek all my life. As a teacher, it makes me think about what I’m teaching and how I can teach what I’m required to teach (or enough of it that “they” are satisfied) and yet comminicate this different worldview where the things I’m required to fill their minds with (seriously, when have you ever needed to know what onomatopoeia is?) are less important and coloring outside the lines isn’t necessarily wrong.

I think there are lines that are necessary (like the commandments and such), but one thing I find with my students is that they’re told they’re wrong so often when they think creatively or offer alternative solutions to a problem that they simply stop and become afraid to think. Or they’re afraid to think any way but the way they’re told they must think. Then they get to my classroom and I ask them to offer ideas and to blur the boundaries between conventional thinking and “creative” thinking… and it freaks them out. That’s what this post reminds me of.

I love the image of scribbling on a page… maybe I’ll teach my littles that it’s okay to color outside the lines… or at least to know that the world isn’t a bunch of boxes… it’s like a watercolor. Lots of colors, most of which get blurred into the next where they touch. Potentially beautiful.

Bob Adams

WOW!!! What a lot is said in the last two studies! After my paradigm change started I feel like I am in preschool. It is tough to have career change at age 62. I just landed a new job. And the pay is good. The whole idea of picking up God’s manna while trusting that he DOES provide is exciting and wonderful. My new boss and his assistant have already said they want to discuss this with me. Who else will He place in front of me? YHWH (I do want to know His name. And to tell people the name of my God.) is always providing and wants us to have His best. Back to the beginning. Thank God for Yeshua and the actuality that He does give us LIFE and that abundantly. This is a day of repentance for self sufficiency and a day of praise and thanksgiving.

Shalom, Bob

Michael

Job 38:1 Then from the heart of the tempest, Yahweh gave Job his answer. He said:

Job 38:2 Who is this obscuring my designs with his empty headed words?

Job 38:3 Brace yourself like a fighter; now it is my turn to ask questions and yours to inform me.

Job 38:4 Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundations? Tell me since you are so well informed!

Job 38:5 Who decided the dimensions of it, do you know? Or who stretched the measuring line across it?

Job 38:6 Who supports its pillars at their bases? Who laid its CORNERSTONE?

Hmmm,

We tend to sympathize with Job after the severity of his test and Yahweh patiently listens to Job’s laments for 37 chapters of verse.

But Yahweh’s response is quite surprising to me.

Apparently Yahweh is now angry with Job for “obscuring (His) designs” of the world and for speaking stupidly, using “empty headed words.”

Even more surprising to me, under the circumstances, is Yahweh’s command to Job act like a man (“fighter”) and stop whining.

Under the circumstances, that’s pretty funny to me 🙂

And if in God’s “eyes” the foundation of the earth has a “cornerstone,” it is no wonder that we are thinking “inside the box” most of the time.

John Adam

“What would your faith be like if the “boundaries” were really messy?”

Like fractal boundaries? YEAH!

John

Really? How so?

Gayle

The fractals I have seen seem to be images that are replicated in smaller and smaller versions within themselves. It is much like an image of the universe, and as it is examined with instruments, from telescope to microscope, the same image seems to appear, only on a different scale. I wonder how ‘far’ IN the images would go if we had instruments to detect them to such degrees! How far OUT? What would it look like?

John

You are correct. Ultimately, fractals are mathematical abstractions, like points, lines and planes, though with much more structure, either in a statistically or geometrically self-similar sense. The atomic properties of matter would limit the process continuing further down, at least so far as we know, but my question concerned the fractal-like properties of the Hebrew characters…

Gayle

I need to “see” that. 🙂

Michael

“What would your faith be like if the “boundaries” were really messy?”

Hi John,

Good point!

Mathematically speaking, fractals are rather difficult for me to understand 🙂

But the URL below has some beautiful images related in some way to fractal boundaries.

http://fractalboundaries.com/

Amanda Youngblood

LOL! I’m glad I’m horrible at math…

I’m hoping it’ll make thinking outside the math box easier!

John

Thanks Michael. But there were only three small images – otherwise the link was inactive.
Must be a fractal enigma!

Michael

“three small images”

Hi John,

Sorry the images are so small, my monitor is probably a bit bigger and newer.

The graphics are associated with Fitz-Gerald Research – “Specialists in Non-linear hedging and trading of futures options for Qualified Individuals and Institutional Investors.”

But the link is inactive for me too.

I think the images have something to do with Fibonacci, Fractals and Financial Markets.

The following link is related to this topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE2Lu65XxTU

A number of years ago, I saw an independent film called Pi that dealt with the relation between the stock market, spirals in nature, and mathematics.

The hero was seeing numbers everywhere and it was driving him crazy, so it was a bit strange, but since then these three things have been related in my mind 🙂